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From [e-mail]  Sat Nov 20 09:39:31 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Tom J Farish)
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Hi...I often call CQ on CW in the phone bands on 10m (and sometimes 15m) when
the bands seem dead.  If I'm QRO (90W or so), I'll mix SSB and CW calls just
to save my voice / liven things up.  A few weeks ago, I worked Suriname
this way, an new one for me!  Came right back to me on CW, then we tried
SSB.  As long as you don't stomp on someone's QSO, I don't see anything
wrong with using that wide open SSB portion when the CW section gets crowded.

;^)

Tom
KJ5LT

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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: Re: doing CW in SSB/CW section
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 14:30:34 -0500 (EST)
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>
> Hi...I often call CQ on CW in the phone bands on 10m (and sometimes 15m) when
> the bands seem dead.
>       As long as you don't stomp on someone's QSO, I don't see anything
> wrong with using that wide open SSB portion when the CW section gets crowded.
>
IF the freq is free of use of course,( I'm talking about 10 mtrs here), I did
the same thing:

 Use CW on the phone portion.

Usually tho, any calls I made on 10, were to get hold of a specific someone,
and so if I got no responce by voice, I'd try CW a while.
Sence that worked...I'd always get em using CW ( then we'd switch to SSB
or if air was clogged tight we'd skinny-up and stay on CW), it became a
matter-of-course to start with CW, and optionally switch to SSB.

This was also good to use ( CW ) when the air is busy, and yer trying to
get hold of someone who's waiting for you on XXX freq and there's one of
those 10-4 things going on... so, by moving up 2-2.5kc, and run CW, you
don't bother the 10-4 people, yet who's waiting for you, hears the hi-pitch
CW way up there and can dial up to reply (then we go hunt for a new freq)

As far as the 10-4 people go, they think it is 'someone throwing carriers'
and they ignor it.


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Sat Nov 20 15:03:59 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Eric J. Grabowski)
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Subject: 10 Meter QRP SSB
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Eric J. Grabowski)



A couple of years ago, I bought a Radio Shack TRC-453 ssb CB
radio and converted it to 10 meters. I got it new, on sale for
$120.00.

The conversion is very easy and consists of removing a capacitor
and adding an oscillator. I built the oscillator on a scrap of pc
board about the size of a postage stamp so it fits behind the
channel selector switch. The oscillator uses a crystal and two
MPF102 fets, one as the oscillator and the other as a follower.

I have made several contacts including W6, W7, VE5, VE6, and VE7
with reports between 5 x 8 and 5 x 10/9 using this radio and a
Mosley TA-33 at 30 feet. Most stations commented on the excellent
audio.

The only disadvantage, which is a result of my conversion, is
that the RIT has very limited range, i.e. about 300 Hertz. I have
since designed an L/C type oscillator with a varactor diode that
provides enough RIT to span the distance between channels.
Although I have a breadboard version working, I have not built it
on a piece of pc board to fit into the radio like the existing
one.

If you're looking for a qrp ssb transceiver for 10 meters, I
would suggest that you consider this approach. There is not a lot
of work involved, it is relatively inexpensive, and it does work.

---73, Eric

--
Eric Grabowski, WA8HEB            [e-mail]
Chagrin Falls, Ohio


From [e-mail]  Sat Nov 20 15:48:08 1993
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Well, I'm a member of the NorCal QRP club, and anxiously awaiting
the Dec. issue of their magazine.  :-)

Can anyone tell me the addresses/dues/contacts for the other major
QRP groups like ARCI, etc?

- Rich

From [e-mail]  Sat Nov 20 16:33:14 1993
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From: Jeff Herman <[e-mail]>
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Randy,
   Are these 10-4 people you referred to CB'ers who got lost? If so,
why not have a CW QSO right on top of them? If they shift one way or
the other just follow them. We've got to get these slobs off of 10M
and push them back down to 11M.

Jeff NH6IL

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Sargent N8OFS)
Subject: Phillips/Signetics 1-800 BBS
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I've seen a lot of discussion about PLL's, so I dicided I would give
you guys the Ph# for their BBS.  But, you have to keep it a secret.
One other thing, they do have PLL design programs but you have to
request them.

Phillips/Signetics BBS        1-800-451-6644

So long for now...

--
Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM    =       N8OFS
Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

From [e-mail]  Sat Nov 20 23:39:56 1993
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I am looking for a good Argo 509. If you have on e or know of one, please
give me a ring... de Conard , WS4S....72

From [e-mail]  Sun Nov 21 02:58:51 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Hendricks)
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Subject: Scope Article Needed for QRPp

Gang,
I have a good idea for an article for the net and for QRPp.  But, I don't
have the expertise to write it, so I am asking for help.  What I would like
to have is an article on Scopes.  What kind does the average ham need?  How
many MHz???  And, more importantly, how do you use it?   Can you write an
article that explains how to use a scope to help align a QRP transceiver?
Tell us what settings to use, where to hook it up, in fact, just assume that
we know nothing about scopes (which I and several others don't).  The article
can be any length that is necessary to get the message across.  Please Email
to me [e-mail]  .  72, Doug, KI6DS

From [e-mail]  Sun Nov 21 16:08:51 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Eric J. Grabowski)
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Subject: Re: 10 Meter QRP SSB
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Eric J. Grabowski)



[e-mail] (Jeff Herman) NH6IL writes:

>Did you try CW with your CB/10M rig? I am curious if the PTT
circuit of a CB radio can handle the fast keying needed in
working CW.

No I didn't, Jeff. Since I wanted to use the radio in the phone
sub-band between 28.3 and 28.7 MHz, it didn't seem appropriate.
However, I did do some snooping and it would be quite easy to key
the first driver transistor. Then, all you need is a simple
electronic switch to get full QSK. This is on my list of things
to try when time is available (not in the near future :-}).


[e-mail] (J. Sherwood Williams) writes:

>I would be VERY interested in the specifics of that Mod for the
TRC-453. Perhaps a little schematic and connecting points to the
main radio PC board?

Sure, Robert. It would be difficult to post the drawings to this
list though, however, if you send me an SASE, I will photocopy
the pages of my notebook and send them to you. The pages contain
the schematic and pcb layout of my oscillator as well as the
connection points marked on the original schematic diagram.

Incidently, this mod also applies to Uniden and other CB radios
that use the single-crystal synthesis method. So, if anyone else
would like this info, just send me an SASE requesting it.

To save you time finding my address in the callbook or on-line,
here it is:

Eric Grabowski  WA8HEB
17020 Snyder Road
Chagrin Falls, OH  44023

BTW, the United States Postal Service (in their infinite wisdom)
has changed my ZIPCODE to 44023 from 44022 even though my house
is still located where it used to be. So the above is not a typo,
just in case inquiring minds want to know.


[e-mail] (Scott Wood) WQ8B writes:

>Could you send me more details?

Scott, see my previous comment.

>Where did you get the info to do the conversion?

Instinct ;-)  Actually, I've been designing and building stuff for over 30
years, and to be honest, this project wasn't that challenging. In fact, I
started building one Saturday morning and had my first QSO (with VE5ST, thanks
Terry) at 1217 local time that same day. Of course, I did spend some time
during the previous week studying the schematic and planning my attack to
minimize the amount of hacking. I should mention that the reason I converted
the radio was that I wanted a little 10 meter rig for the car, but didn't want
to spend ~big bucks~ on one of those Uniden HR-25xx units.

>Is the radio still sold in the RS catalog?

The TR-453 was replaced with the TR-465 in 1992; however, the main boards are
the same in both radios. The only difference is that the new one has a black
front panel instead of chrome, and the ANL switch is now a slide type instead
of being on the Squelch control.

>How much were the parts?

I have a well stocked junque box, so all I had to buy was the crystal which was
about $7.00, if memory serves. If you had to buy all the parts new, the cost
should be about $15.00.

73

--
Eric Grabowski, WA8HEB            [e-mail]
Chagrin Falls, Ohio


From [e-mail]  Sun Nov 21 18:47:24 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Hendricks)
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Subject: QRPp #3 in the mail

Gang,
Issue #3 of QRPp will be mailed tomorrow, Monday Nov. 22.  Some of you will
get a Thanksgiving present if the mail works.  It is being mailed first
class, and should get to you by this weekend.  Hope you enjoy it, and have a
nice holiday.  In case you are interested, we have 152 subscribers and 180
members as of Nov. 20, 1993.
72, Doug, KI6DS

Editor, QRPp, Journal of the Northern California QRP Club

To Subscribe & Join NorCal QRP Club, send $5, plus your name, call, address,
city, state, & zip to:

        Jim Cates, WA6GER
        3241 Eastwood Rd.
        Sacramento, CA 95821

You will receive 4 issues of QRPp, which is published March, June, September,
and December of each year.

From [e-mail]  Sun Nov 21 22:01:29 1993
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From: [e-mail] (John Welch)
Subject: SSB detection with phasing
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    In response to the great discussion here and in
rec.radio.amateur.homebrew, I've decided to try a phasing receiver
just for funsies.  I'm almost done with the one described in the
Signetics databook (using 2 NE602s, some op-amps, a 4053 and a bunch
of high-precision caps and resistors).
    The 'heart' of this is a broad-band active audio phase
shifter, requiring 12 10K resistors, 6 1000pf caps and a few other
resistor values.  Supposedly, for best results .1% parts would be
best.
    For the 10Ks, I got lucky.  The engineering stockroom has (had
:-) some 10K 0.1% resistors.  The 100pf caps I got by matching from my
pile of sm 5% caps - matched to 4pf according to my cap meter.  The
other resistors are 1% values.
    The rf is generated in quadrature by a 74F74 flipflop dividing
down a 48MHz signal to 12MHz.  I may be able to get a better looking
signal if I change my 74HC14 to a 74F14 (an attempt to better square
up the 48MHz signal).  From scope and spectrum analyzer, the signal
looks lousy.  It *is* 12MHz, but has little resemblance to a square
wave - more of a rounded ramp.  I'll try it this way firstm and if I
can find a 74F14 I'll try that too.
    The main reason I'm using a 12MHz if is that I have built a
9-pole crystal filter at that frequency, to add ahead of the phasing
if strip if needed.  Methinks it will be heavy overkill, but between
the filter and the phasing I expect to get rather decent selectivity
;-)
    The front end will probably be a bandpass filter followed by
an SBL-1, with my trusty DDS signal generator providing the LO (after
some additional amplification required to drive the SBL-1 of course).
With luck, I'll have a reasonably bullet-proof front end.
    For testing purposes I'll only build it for one band (40, 30
or 20 depending on the parts I don't have for the bp filter).  I hope
to have it kludged up this week, and I'll let y'all know how she
flies.  If she flies well, I'll try to get dork-cad to put out a
postscript file and enter it here.  Stay tuned for more details.

72
--
John Welch, N9JZW

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All,

Well worked on the NorCal 40... found that the chokes were blowing
because the PA transistor was shorted. It was shorted from the
modification for the birdie..and a teeny solder bridge.. It appears to
hear CW signals even without an antenna hooked up and the RIT seems to
work and the output goes all the way to the final transistor.. so guess
when I track down a replacement transistor, may be able to get the
NorCal on the air..

Well since I didn't have any radios to fix or build this weekend, did
all my chores and managed to get into the ARRL Sweepstakes for a gew
hours.. my first SSB QRP contest...used my Kenwookd 850s with the
Lightning Bolt 5 band Quad, the Gap vertical and a 160 meter dipole with
tuner. Power output was real close to 4.8 watts max using the Kenwood
compression and high boost for audio.

Observations:

Heard some serious QRP contesters.. they were into the high numbers,
heard more on the air than I have in any other contest.

Even surprised me how well QRP worked on SSB

Couldn't believe how many people stopped their serious contesting to
make comments about my signal, my REAL signal report and such. Easily
over 65% of my contacts stopped and actually made comments. Comments
varied from people insisting I was class "A" and made me repeat the "Q"
about 20 times, to you are 20 over, MANY were "Great signal for Q".
Think it may get people thinking about their power levels..since most
people in the contest were "B" class or WAY TOO MUCH POWER.

I noticed that QRP was no different on 10,15,20 as far as I could tell
from me getting through as easily as anyone else.

On 40 a little more power might have been nice (but then again I don't
have a competitive antenna for 40 or below).

80 meters may be a case where 100 watts should be legal

***** a really good antenna makes a setup equal to using much higher
power.. I have been informally contesting for a couple of years, I This
is the first time I contested with the Quad.. It made a HUGE difference.

summary (may have to do a contest QRP for real one of these days):

80 meters    13 contacts    2 sections
40 meters    42 contacts    8 sections
20 meters    82 contacts    38 sections *Quad on this band
15 meters    19 contacts    8 sections
10 meters    22 contacts    2 sections
--------------------------------------------
        178 contacts    58 sections

72,

Jeff, AC4HF

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From: "D A Coleman (ext. 2850)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: wooden radios
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Randy, etc.,

I'll go you one better than wooden cabinets.  I've used a piece of a
plank with brads on it for breadboarding a circuit.  I got the technique from
my old friend Jim Wilson, W1GWC, who's been using it for years.

72.0940322

Don Coleman, W1VOQ

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Subject: Re: Dumb question...
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Om,

Your question isn't so dumb, and its answer is a little complicated.

First off, you need to bear in mind that there's always going to be a lot
of buckshot (noise from splatter) between a.m. signals and even between ssb
signals.  Cw operators like to be comfortable, and they also like to have
something left of their sense of hearing left when they're done operating;
so they'd much rather operate in a segment of any given band where a minimum
of noise can be expected.  Until quite recently the bottom ends of the ham
bands have been their last, best hope.

72.818353007

Don Coleman, W1VOQ

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From: [e-mail] (Edward Pacyna)
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Subject: MAVTI Receiver For Sale


 Built and tested receiver PCB from "Better Ears for the MAVTI-40" see QST
 article in October 1985 pg.14, or QRP Classics pg.140.

 The receiver is built on a double sided, gold plated PCB about 5"W x 3 1/2"W.
 It contains all the circuits of Fig. 6. The audio band pass has been opti-
 mized for a 600Hz center frequency. Although a 40M double tuned band pass
 filter is installed, this can easily be changed for the receiver to operate
 on any band. The PCB also includes T/R keying and antenna change over. Just
 add a VFO for a fully functional receiver. I recommend the NG1G premixed
 VFO (see QRP Quarterly) since the VFO buffer to drive the SBL-1 is on the
 PCB and this would allow you to build for any band. Add a transmitter and
 sidetone and you can build a complete transceiver around this module. One
 notable feature of this reciver circuit is the notch filter which works
 quite well. Price does not include the few components that are chassis
 mounted (e.g. jacks, pots etc.). Full documentaion included. Price $45.00


Ed Pacyna W1AAZ   email: [e-mail]   telephone: [phone] X114


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OK, guys...don't put your typewriters away yet.

In the November issue of CQ on page 77, feast your eyes on
the NEW RADIO T-SHIRTS!!!

Two that are depicted...

    12 o'clock position  ---->   "Life is too short for QRP"

     4 o'clock position  ---->   "QRP is not for sissies"


Put in your order -or- put in your complaint.

72

Frank - NO1E




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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: Re: wooden radios/brads/tacks
To: [e-mail] (D A Coleman)
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Oh my! Brads for solder-terms!   For the crude stuff. I've done that, and
I've used carpet tacks as well.

I thought I was the only one who'd do such a thing!

Whew! I feel much better now!

For the 'fancy' ones...meant to not elicit a "pleagh" sound out of any
observers, I've used brass wood screws and washers...fahnstock clips*
and even plain steel screws...pan head sheet metal ones are best for
that...due to the head being wider-grips the wires better.

---
Well, I've come to a point here today, where I need decide....

Shall I change over to using a single 6AG7 tube/osc-output ...get 3/4 watt
and so use a B+ for which I have xformers for....and can be fully self-
contained ( B+ and RF guts in same chassie..or all one one wood base)

Or use 6SJ7 osc and 6V6 final, for 3 watts out... using B+ I will need get
xformer for....needing 2nd chassie/or wood base item to hold B+ on.
---which will get a metal chassie ( I have) for the RF part.
--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

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Subject: Re: Dumb question...cw freqs

Randy writes:
>  Well, to be polite, CW is kept mostly where CW-only (USA) is allowed.

Hummm...  there are no places on the USA HF bands where only CW is allowed
(except for Novice & Tech+).

> Then too, there are DX windows that are universally world-wide accepted as
> being on some such n so freqs, generally at the bottom of each band.

OK.

>  Then there are those of us who only have Novice or Tech+  tickets and so
> there is a freq limit there....

Sorry, wasn't refering to Novices or Techies+, my comment was only meant to
refer to General Class and higher.  I know Novices and Techies don't have
any choice....

>  The QRP calling freq's are on 3710kc and 7110kc, for 80 & 40 mtrs, altho,
> a QRPer will go where his ticket lets him go.....so same it seems, these
> SSBers and Honking Squawnking what ever they are's ( some are packet, amtor
> but,there are a few out there, that I think  need an oil change).
>
>  It's gotten so bad, I just don't get on between after-dusk, until past
> midnite.
>  I get on before dusk, and well past midnite now.
>

Here's my point.  I don't understand why it has to be this way, when other
parts of the spectrum where CW is ALLOWED is not used to its' fullest.  Any
one in the US with General class or higher is allowed to use SSB or CW in
the upper end of the bands.  If you can go on with SSB any time you like
why would anybody get upset if you used CW and use only use about 1/5th the
bandwidth?

Another reason I've been wondering about this is because I'd like to setup
a sked with a friend in L.A. to practice code.  It would be nice if we could
meet on SSB and then switch back and forth between modes during the qso. i.e.
he could send a bunch of cw, I could say (speak) "did you say .....?", etc.
Would this kind of qso draw some bad remarks from other hams?

73,
mont, km6wt


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Cieslak)
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Subject: Re:wooden radioes..etc

Let's not for get the prolific use of paper clips to connect power from the 6V lantern battery spring terminals...or was that to power up my first computer??

I like the idea of using hundreds of volts to power QRP rigs...That really exemplifies that QRP is NOT for sissies. Just think your filaments will consume more power than your transmitting...I think thats an important design goal as my shack was a little chilly during sweepstakes last weekend. Make sure you make the latest schematics available.

As far as your decision...use what you have now and put the stuff you need on your christmas list..Nothing puzzles a well maening relative more than giving them a list with transformers, chokes, variable caps and the elusive toroids on it.

ps What color stain goes with carpet tacks.

73,
Brian AE9K

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams):
> Mont, KM6WT, asks the question about operating CW in the higher
> parts of the band.  Well, it's true, you legally can do so.  But,
> you won't win friends or influence people.  :-)
>
> It's part of the gentleman's agreement that CW ops would stay out
> of the phone allowed portions.  This promotes good will and peace

But but but....  Are you saying that SSBers would rather I use SSB and
take up more bandwidth and leave even less room for other SSBers?  I
guess the logic of this escapes me.

Maybe this is a gentleman's agreement if terribly outdated and needs to
be redefined.  How do we go about doing that?  If we show up in the SSB
portion of the band, they can't retiliate legally by coming down into
the CW sub-band.

I can understand about some portions left open for calling frequencies,
dx openings, nets, long established skeds.  But there sure is a lot of
bandwidth used for general qso that could be made use of or used more
effiecently...

> on earth (well almost).  You can even operate digital in the voice
> bands, but I don't think it'd would be too pretty.

Sorry, but RTTY & Data are not allowed in the HF phone bands.  Only CW,
Phone and Image (which is normally sent in SSB mode).

> If you ventured in between AM stations, I doubt that you would
> have too many CW ops up that high listening.

If someone started doing it, someone would start listening.  Word would
get around.  I've tried setting up skeds with a friend from L.A. on cw,
sure is hard to find an opening sometimes.  Then when I tune up and here
all the empty spaces that legally could be used, I just can't figure it
out.

>
> Mont, there is no no such thing as a dumb question.  He who asks not
> learns not (Chuck Adams quote).  I ask questions all the time.  The
> only way I can learn.  If you don't make mistakes, you're not doing
> anything.

Well I don't think I've learned anything yet because I still don't
understand WHY.  So... either it must be a dumb question or maybe just
maybe it's time to relook at the bandplan and/or gentleman's agreements?
Guess I'll just have to wait and see....


Tnx for your comments & 73,
mont, km6wt

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Subject: Re: Dumb Questions...cw freqs

Mont,

The way things on the ssb segments today you can't even talk about the weather without somebody sticking there two cents worth in so I think you should go for it...There may probably be 10 guys listening in the background practicing code along with your friend that you'llnever hear from.

Peronally if I hear someone sending cw in the fone band I'll answer him in CW but generally I`ll stay in the cw portiions where I don't have to listen to the splatter that usually occurs just when the other guy has something important to say. I appreciate the cw segment just for this reason. Maybe some day when the dsp stuff gets better it won't be such a big deal.

You joined the ham radio ranks to pursue interests you enjoy so do it....Don't let someone else someone else tell you what to do...unless its the FCC in which case all reason gets thrown out the window

73, Brian AE9K.

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I can hardly believe that, in my early message on this subject, I forgot
to mention the wooden radio that got me into ham radio more than forty years
ago.  It was a 6 SN 7 regen receiver built on a wooden base.  the connections
on the board itself were made with fanstag (or is it faenstag) clips.  Anybody
on here remember thoem?  I'm such a pack rat that I still have those clips!

The first time I turned on that receiver, I tuned in EL9A in Liberia, west
Africa.  He was ontwenty-meter am phone.  I think he's still operating, but not
on am any more; think I heard him not too long ago on ssb.  I also, later on,
put a key in the plate lead--to the plus terminal of the 90-v b battery, and
used it as a qrp (guess it was qrpp) rig.

72.4481525

Don Coleman, W1Voq

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Subject: my dirty rotten editor

okay

okay

I'll see what I can do...

I get carried away with These passionate plea`s.


73,
Brian  AE9K

I'm using the sun mailtool V3

so much for technology

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Subject: Re: wooden radios & carpet tacks
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 14:39:56 -0500 (EST)
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You HAVE been peeping over my shoulder!

Paper clips for connectors to a 6v lantern battery....well, in MY case,
as the jumper to connect one to the other, for 12 volts....

Stain-to-go-with-tacks...    Oh my!..The boards I used , were old,
weathered, a bit warped  siding-wood (?) from a torn down garage...sorta
grey-brown...
 Ya know.... they MAKE a 'stain' like that!

Actually, a well dried board ( from pine to plywood) , while still hot,
then varnish-dunked (or quickly spread it on) so to take place of any
moisture and seal out any, later...is best.

I used to snitch some of my mothers canning wax ( paraffin...large blocks)
and melt that into the wood....my gawd how much wax it would absorb.

This made it so the wood would not act as a resistor and send B+ into
a 1st grid...
 Somthing like that once happened---drove me crazy as to why the tube kept
glowing red ( plate) in spite of my increasing kathode  resistor values.
( This was a #42 pentode tube...was using as audio amp )
 Thought the tube was sour,  which meant a long walk to the local
TV and Radio store down town to get it tested...it came out as OK, and so
back home I would trudge , happy the tube was ok, and then..
I'd push it back in the board, and it would over-conduct again....

 It took me 3 trips down town, before the guy asked what I was doing...
I explained, and he then realized what must be occuring:
 The screen volts (+) was 'leaking '  thru the wood to the 1st grid.

Now ya can't get paraffin...so I use varnish...which is also getting hard
to get...what with all these edible latex 'paints' in vogue now...

I wonder if Wesson oil.......
--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kearman)
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Subject: Re: CW Freqs

Off the subject of QRP, but a few years back I needed
KL7 on 10 meters and made a sked for SSB, with CW for
fallback. Heard nothing at appointed time, called him
on CW off my vertical in Connecticut. A 9Q5 came back
to me on CW!!! That's Zaire, not a real easy catch.
You never know...

72/73, Jim


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  Ok..all this pertains to USA rules, for us IN USA...and 80 mtrs :

CW is FCC-permitted thru-out the band.
 That lets us ID in case our mic burns out or the keys fall off the TTY
machine.

However, to be nice, CW is not used with-in a busy phone band, but if
it does not QRM a QSO, it is tolerated except by self appointed RF police.

CW then, usually  stays in the zone that ONLY CW is suppose to be in.

THAT  takes care of USA Hams IN USA.

HOWever....there are other countries ( 2 at least I can hear) who's
band-plans are like our 160 mtrs...everything-goes, mode wise.

To be nice, these countries may run them selves as we do, so to not cause
strife....somtimes.
____

I also have heard TTY , Amtor ( or some kind of Wonk! Wonk! Wonk! noise)
and LOTS of SSB , in the CW section....but it's from these other countries.

Most SSB people in a net, are in QSO to guys who give 20-over, and so they
turn the RF gain way back to not hear air-noise...so their VOX & anti-VOX
will work right.
 ( when set up right, anti vox prevents double keying the other guy)

As a result, any one on QRP is unheard, and gets squished.

[[[[[

Way out:
        I found, a lot of all this QRM occurs during the Mad Hours of
Local dusk til local midnite + 1 hour ( everyone is in bed)

So...get on BEFORE dusk ( the air is almost ripe for use on 80 then)
or AFTER midnite...including up to well after dawn-mid morning.
The rest of the time, DUCK! ( or go QRO to call up friends to chit chat)

For me...except for rare outbursts... I'm not on between dusk and midnite.
I'm HERE on the keyboard or messing with somthing off-air.

I hope that helps ...

--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

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 OH MY!!
       The 6SN7 bread board everything kit!   Knight Kit ?

Yes! it had a couple dozen Fhanstock clips, a 6SN7 dual triode, audio
xformer, RF coil, Tune cap, and a vol control!
B+ was about 80 vdc from a transformer...and 6,3 vac for the heater.
The base was a dark dark brown colour wood?
 Pictorial and schematic diagrams were furnished, to make ---oh---
A receiver for 540-1600kc, an audio amp, an oscillator ( audio) and
a CW tone modulated RF osc...and a wireless phonograph ( use radio to hear it)
( I subbed a microphone of course!)...and a relay closer ( ? )

I had one of those as a kid...my Dad bought me it to keep me out of his
TV supplys


Guess what! At AES, you can make a 12AU7 version!

You need order up the parts and do it all yer self, but it is ALL there.

( I suppose you could use a 12SL7 instead, thus be octal-based)


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

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Subject: Wanted: R1 kit, any condition

I'm about to order an R1 (by Rick Campbell) receiver kit, but thought I'd
ask the net first.

Do anyone have an R1 that they'd like to sell?  Any condition (almost)
acceptable at the right price.  Please send me a note if your interested.

Send the condition of the kit (built, halfbuilt, lost some parts, still
in the original package, etc) and your price including shipping to:

    [e-mail]


tnx & 73,
mont, km6wt


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......> on CW off my vertical in Connecticut. A 9Q5 came back
> to me on CW!!! That's Zaire, not a real easy catch.
> You never know...
>
A similar thing happened to me:

For a while, I used to hang out on 10mtrs  to catch a friend who had moved
to Texas.
This was done on 28390kc...normally SSB there.
One day, after trying both 'phone and cw, with no results, I got a faint cw
call from .. I think ... it was Brazil.

By the way..I have not yet gotten scolded for running CW on a phone band...
only a few dummy comments like ' duh! somboddy is keying dere mike'

So as long as it QRM's no one, there's no reason to not run CW on a blank freq.

--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

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Please ignore

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From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: NN1G enclosures

I'm not sure if this topic has been brought up before or not, but here goes.

I wonder what types of enclosures people have used out there for their NN1G
rigs.  Something that looks professional is my goal.  (ok I'll say it..
not nailed to an old hunk of scrap pine.. not even yellow pine.)

What if any effect does stacking the two boards have.


I was considering a small RS box that is plastic.  Just big enough for the 2x4
board size.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.


73 all WB8YGG

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kearman)
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Subject: QRP Meeting in New England

>From [e-mail] Mon Nov 22 20:24:41 1993
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>From [e-mail]. Mon Nov 22 15:14:31 1993
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Subject: QRP-NE Meeting


            QRP Club of New England

    Tentative agenda for QRP-NE meeting on 11/28/93
      Host Hotel, Rt. 495, Boxboro MA.
      In Lounge,   508 263 8701
      (Reservations made for 15 - 20)

      *  12 p.m.  -  lunch
         1 p.m.  -  antennas

   1.  Pre-meeting meeting (see *)
   2.  QRP-NE Meeting  from 3:00 -  4:00  p.m.
   3.  Welcome new members
   4   W1FMR  -  Coordinator report - Agenda, proposals,
   5.  NN1G   -  HB manager report - New HB Project
   6.  NX1K   -  FD Manager report - FD  &  QRP FD
   7.  W1CFI  - Treasuere Report  -  Membership Renewal
   8.  N1CUU  - Editor Report - New editor search, deadlines
   9.  NT1R   - Member's News report
  10.  NG1G   - Membership report
  11.  KN1H   - Technical Editor report
  12.  WA1JXR - Net Manager report
  13.  Direction to move in ?
  14.  Where to get parts ?
  15.  Director's meeting each month on SSB net
  16.  New 30 meter frequencies
  17.  How to get more club involvement ?


   * You are invited to arrive early, have lunch, and then
     help put up an antenna(s).
     We intend to put antenna wire in trees, use SWR meter
     & ATU to show, and operate HB rigs prior to meeting.
     W1FMR an NC40, NN1G a 40m (proposed club project),
     W1CFI a surface mount 80m rig  etc......

     Facing the hotel, ski hill is on right, seems like
     a good spot to do it. (As long as it does not snow)

    Jim, W1FMR

----------------------------------------------------

Jim,

    Greg, WA1JXR, and I were on the Worcester repeater this morning
talking about club stuff and several comments were made that should
be passed along to you for our meeting at the Host Hotel.

          1. Should we continue with the annual renewal of dues
             or would a post card notice of dues expiration work
             better when inserted into the last newsletter?
             Submitted by Bob, W1JLA.  I know we talked about this
             once and I like what we do now better but its open
             for disucssion.

          2. Should we limit terms of officers to 2 years or ?
             It would spred around the work so no one would burn out.

          3. One of the HP Ham Club members suggested that the HP
             club  elect officers on  a rotating basis so that only
             one new officer gets elected each year and all others
             move up to the next position.

          4. Maybe its time for some bylaws or a constitution which
             would include membership renewal?

          5. The SSB net will meet at 8pm next week as a experiment
             with the hope to avoid changing skip and band condx.

72,
Paul, W1CFI




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Young Whipper_snapper,

Om, my set was built in 1949.  We tacked it on a piece of wood my father just
happened to have around.  (He saved everything!)  The coil was wound on the
cardboard sleeve from a flash-light battery (that's what we called them then. )
The batteries had cardboard sleeves you could take off them when they had
died.

Anyway--talk about brewing from scratch!  I remember figuring out whereto tap
that coil, wound from #22 magnet wire, to get the regen playing on twenty.

You can do it with transistors now.--a sweetly operating regen--just as good
as any tube job.  And of course you can still make it out of wood.

72.4151883

W1VOQ

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From: "John F. Woods" <[e-mail]>

> I wonder what types of enclosures people have used out there for their NN1G
> rigs.  Something that looks professional is my goal.  (ok I'll say it..
> not nailed to an old hunk of scrap pine.. not even yellow pine.)
> I was considering a small RS box that is plastic.  Just big enough for the 2x4
> board size.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.

What's the point of having a 2x4 circuit board if you don't mount it to a 2x4?
            :-)

Actually, I have one of the RS metal cabinets (the one with the grey and black color
scheme, the one that really comes in at least three sizes only one of which RS
carries).

Maybe a clear plexiglass container would be good, but then you'd have to put LEDs
inside...

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 09:56:44 CST
From: [e-mail] (Brian Cieslak)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: re; Wooden radioes Cont

Now see isn't this much more fun than griping about the League?

I started to breadboard a receiver last night...I had a lot of
real nice cedar Planks left from a deck I just had built so I
started to use those...I don't know if the rig will ever work
but it sure does smell nice....I I never get it to work I'll
just toss it in my sock drawer.

Gee cardboard sleeves for coil forms...I can only think of one
source for those these days...You 'll have plenty of time to
think about your design while your sitting and waiting for one
to become available.

Randy's suggestion of using a kleenx box seemed intriguing too.

well 73,
Brian - AE9K

ps I put cr at the end of each line...did it work ok?

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 12:54:02 1993
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From: "D A Coleman (ext. 2850)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: re; Wooden radioes Cont
To: [e-mail]
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Dear om,

While sitting and thinking about my design, I had the insight that what I was
sitting and waiting for might be too flimsy.  If I recall correctly, the bat-
tery sleeves were a bit sturdier.

All kidding aside, plastic pill bottles make dandy coil forms, and you can put
slugs in them, too.

You'll have the first rig that keeps the moths away; I hope it doesn't also
keep the hams away.

72.4148553

Don Coleman, W1Voq

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 13:41:42 1993
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    id AA13255; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:41:39 -0500
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:41:39 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Duane P Mantick)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: wood ???


I dunno, I suppose all that griping about the league might have been a
case of BARKing up the wrong TREE.......

wood.....get it?

More seriously, but only slightly so, it's funny that this discussion about
the (rather archaic) use of wood in radios (for anything other than
decoration) comes up now.  I just got a catalog from Rochester Electronics.
They are a "manufacturer of discontinued electronics", and buy up
dies and so on for semiconductors that Motorola, TI, et al are no
longer going to make.

Rochesters slogan?

(and this is a registered trademark)

"Leaders on the Trailing Edge of Technology"  (r)

:-)  :-)

I laughed so hard I nearly fell on my ass from that one.

Duane
wb9omc

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 14:01:52 1993
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 12:58:39 -0600
Subject: Re: re; Wooden radioes Cont
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You can also use the empty (?) containers for grated parmesan cheese, Mrs
Dash (the no-salt food flavoring substitute), or other differently-sized
coil-forms-to-be besides the one implied in the attached message.
'Course, different diameter would change the inductance, so you might need
fewer or more turns, or even a different wire size.

72 es cul de KB5ADE

-- Ron Roeder    /    [e-mail]


On Tue, 23 Nov 1993, Brian Cieslak wrote:

> Now see isn't this much more fun than griping about the League?
>
> I started to breadboard a receiver last night...I had a lot of
> real nice cedar Planks left from a deck I just had built so I
> started to use those...I don't know if the rig will ever work
> but it sure does smell nice....I I never get it to work I'll
> just toss it in my sock drawer.
>
> Gee cardboard sleeves for coil forms...I can only think of one
> source for those these days...You 'll have plenty of time to
> think about your design while your sitting and waiting for one
> to become available.
>
> Randy's suggestion of using a kleenx box seemed intriguing too.
>
> well 73,
> Brian - AE9K
>
> ps I put cr at the end of each line...did it work ok?




From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 14:23:35 1993
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    id AA04080; Tue, 23 Nov 93 09:23:29 HST
    id AA13462; Tue, 23 Nov 93 09:23:29 HST
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 9:23:28 HST
From: Jeff Herman <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Homebrewed QRP
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>


Gang,
   In the past couple of weeks I've seen a very welcomed transition in the
topics discussed on the net. It's my true belief that QRP and homebrewing
go hand in hand. For months so many folks have been discussing their kit
rigs - I just can't seem to get excited about kits. As of late though,
more posts concerning building from scratch have been appearing - I love it!
Let's have more of this kind of discussion.
   I've just yanked the most beautiful variable capacitor out of an old TV -
can't wait to build something around it! And I've almost got a cardboard
tube coil form available - couple more days...

Jeff NH6IL (ex: WA6QIJ)

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 15:25:45 1993
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    id AA12752; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:25:37 MST
    id AA09640; Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:25:36 MST
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 13:25:36 MST
From: Doug Datwyler <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <9311232025.AA09640@moons>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: homebrew

Talking about coils forms. The first radio I remember building was a
1n34 based receiver, with a piece of gift wrap tube as a coils form.
Another form I have seen is Wilford Brimley's favorite food container,
the oat meal box.
As for a place to put the project, a large Tang can, with it foil lining,
I think to be a possibility (I have not tried this yet).
Just rambling on a TueFri, as I take a longer Thanksgiving weekend...
Doug Datwyler WR7O
[e-mail]

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 16:25:27 1993
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          23 Nov 93 16:21 EST
    id AA12461; Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:18:41 EST
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:18:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Homebrewed QRP
Cc: [e-mail]

>Gang,
>   In the past couple of weeks I've seen a very welcomed transition in the
>topics discussed on the net. It's my true belief that QRP and homebrewing
>go hand in hand. For months so many folks have been discussing their kit
>rigs - I just can't seem to get excited about kits. As of late though,
>more posts concerning building from scratch have been appearing - I love it!
>Let's have more of this kind of discussion.
>   I've just yanked the most beautiful variable capacitor out of an old TV -
>can't wait to build something around it! And I've almost got a cardboard
>tube coil form available - couple more days...
>
>Jeff NH6IL (ex: WA6QIJ)
>
On the issue of kit building OR homebrewing - does anyone have any
suggestions as to cw audio filter projects?  What specific circuits are the
most versatile, and where do I find the kit or plans?  I have heard that
the SCAF filter is a great one.  Anyone have any plans?

I myself don't have much experience at all in either kit or homebrew, so
I don't mind either kind of discussion.  I do prefer the idea of homebrewing
from the standpoint of keeping costs to an absolute minimum (an absolute
necessity!); however, I have no interests AT ALL in dealing with artwork,
or etching, my own PC board!  Perhaps I should just jump in and get my
feet wet with this already-ancient technique, but I just hate working with
chemicals!

And as far as your coil forms go, Jeff, just wait until Thursday evening,
and you should have all the coil forms you can use (especially if the family
or friends come over to ur house for turkey day)!!

------------------------------
Kalman Laudon WD6CZI in 2 land, a Chemical Engineer who no longer works in
<[e-mail]>         his original field (who does?).  Not only
------------------------------  that, but one of the other fields I worked
                                in was IC and hybrid photolith/masking/etch
                                of metallic interconnect layers!  You either
                                end up loving this stuff or hating it!  72.



From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 17:09:51 1993
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          Nov 1993 16:09:16 CST
          16:07:55 GMT-5
From: "Kevin Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Organization:  Augustana College - Rock Island IL
To: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 16:07:21 GMT-500
Subject: Budd MiniCoils
Priority: normal
X-Mailer:     PMail v3.0 (R1a)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

Can you still buy the Budd prewound coil stock?
You know, the open air stuff?  Or is everything now done
with torrid cores?

I know you are all talking about coils on cardboard (and I
can get plenty of good thick cardboard tubes -- map mailers,
we get them all the time).  But can a cardboard tube handle
RF, such as in a homebuilt antenna tuner, either for
shortwave receivers or QRP rigs?  Do you have to factor in
the dielectric (cardboard) in one's calculations?

Still learning from y'all.....

72 de Kevin, KB9IUA
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Kevin L. Anderson,     Geography Dept.,     Augustana College
Rock Island, Illinois   61201   USA     phone: [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]  or [e-mail]
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 18:07:56 1993
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    id AA14019; Tue, 23 Nov 1993 18:07:41 -0500
    id AA16282; Tue, 23 Nov 93 18:08:09 EST
    id AA17275; Tue, 23 Nov 93 18:08:05 EST
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
    id AA14741; Tue, 23 Nov 93 18:08:01 EST
To: "Kevin Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Budd MiniCoils
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:07:21 GMT."
             <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 18:08:01 EST
From: "John F. Woods" <[e-mail]>

Um, Ocean State Electronics carried Miniductor stock last I saw their catalog.
1-800-866-6626

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 18:17:10 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: Re: Budd MiniCoils
To: [e-mail] (Kevin Anderson)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 18:16:51 -0500 (EST)
Cc: [e-mail]
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I don't know about Budd...but B&W ( Brown and Williamson) still makes
all kinds of coil stock like you speak of...sizes from 3/4" to 4" dia
and lengths to 10"

One more coil form:

A womans hair curler---plastic type....has the little nibs to
line up each turn for you, for  space-wound.


oh! one more!

Snitch  off 2 " of broom stick handle.... cut off the round end
and reglue it on the cut end, to look like it was not snitched.

Turns formula for broom stick handle is

        sqr ( 83*uh)         coil to be 1 " long


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 23 19:30:03 1993
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    id AA09674; Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:29:51 PST
    id AA02410; Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:29:48 PST
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:29:48 PST
From: [e-mail] (Paul Blumstein)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Budd MiniCoils

+Snitch  off 2 " of broom stick handle.... cut off the round end
+and reglue it on the cut end, to look like it was not snitched.
+--
+Randy KA1UNW

Let me guess:  your mom/wife thought she was getting taller
because her broom stick was getting shorter.

From [e-mail]  Wed Nov 24 08:47:43 1993
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 <[e-mail]>; Wed, 24 Nov 1993 08:46:18 EDT
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 08:46:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Daniel J. Curtin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Brooms and Oedipus
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        The dangers of slashes. What does the phrase "mom/wife" bring to the
mind in this psychological age? I hope you meant mom OR wife; at least that
leaves dormant these monsters lurking in the reptilian brain.

        I suppose I had better stick to math, and soldering.

73,
Dan, KF4AV

Daniel J. Curtin
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Northern Kentucky University
Highland Heights, KY 41099-1700

[e-mail]
_._ .._. ...._ ._ ..._


From [e-mail]  Wed Nov 24 12:29:24 1993
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 09:29:12 PST
From: [e-mail] (Paul Blumstein)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Brooms and Oedipus

Daniel J. Curtinwrites:

+        The dangers of slashes.

And slashers ?-)

+What does the phrase "mom/wife" bring to the
+mind in this psychological age? I hope you meant mom OR wife; at least that
+leaves dormant these monsters lurking in the reptilian brain.

Yes, I meant "OR" cause I had no idea whether the story teller
was married or living with his parents at the time of the incident.
(I realize there are other possibilities: living alone, living
with girlfriend, living with boyfriend, living with roommate,
etc.; but adding all those in would have detracted from my
concept).

I used a slash instead of "or" because I was too lazy & wanted
to save time.  Of, course, I am now taking more time explaining
this than the time I saved.  Oh, well.

From [e-mail]  Wed Nov 24 12:57:49 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: Re: Brooms and Oedipus and echo-o-o
To: [e-mail] (Daniel J. Curtin)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 12:57:37 -0500 (EST)
Cc: [e-mail]
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>
>         The dangers of slashes. What does the phrase "mom/wife" bring to the
> mind in this psychological age? I hope you meant mom OR wife; at least that
> leaves dormant these monsters lurking in the reptilian brain.
>
>         I suppose I had better stick to math, and soldering.
>
Woo! Good thing I ain't married then!

I too have gotton more that one of everything, but, me , being used to
malfunctioning equipment, I just hit the D button and    blip!  no more
copy.

The mailer I have won't let me reply ONLY to [e-mail]... I have to
do it as a CC ...and to go all the way back out, turn around, and go back in
I find I have a mess to deal with...then I forget what I was gonna say...

heh heh...just keep hitting the D button.....


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Wed Nov 24 15:49:56 1993
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    for [e-mail] id AA04347; Wed, 24 Nov 93 12:49:48 -0800
    for @sgi.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA20257; Wed, 24 Nov 93 14:49:40 -0600
    for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA19660; Wed, 24 Nov 93 14:49:39 -0600
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 14:49:39 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: OHR


Gang,

I just got my QST for December today.

1.  Page 215.  Note that the cost of the OHR WM-1 wattmeter has gone up
    to $89.95 + $4.50S&H.

I talked to Dick at OHR last week.  The prices on four QRP rigs are now:

Sprint (the W7EL rig) $119.95

Explorer (the new version of the 40 or 20 old rig) $149.95 and now available
for 30M.

Spirit $219.95

and a 2 band rig called The Classic for $269.95.

More details as I get them.

I'll be on 40 with the NorCal 40 all this weekend as time permits.
It's going to get below 30 degrees F here and it's supposed to snow
and sleet too.  May have to crank the power above 1W to stay warm.  :-)

Just kidding, just kidding.

dit   dit
SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Wed Nov 24 16:23:49 1993
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    for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA19696; Wed, 24 Nov 93 15:23:36 -0600
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 15:23:36 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: OHR revisited


Ooops!!  forgot the most important part.  I had talked to Dick W. at
OHR previously about how I ran the Spirit with the power cranked down
to under 2 watts.  At the time he thought that I should not do that,
as the circuit was optimized to 5W.  I asked that he check his to see
how the spectrum looked.  Well, he did and he said that it looked
great.

He is now putting an adjustable pot on some of the rigs to make them
adjustable from 0 to max level that the rig is capable of.  This with
a know accessable from the back.  Neat stuff.  A plus for may people,
I'm sure.

again,  dit   dit

SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Wed Nov 24 17:21:54 1993
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 16:21:39 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Ungar Tip


The other day I posted a note about the Ungar Iron-Clad Tip.  The part
number was PL-823 and at the time I bought it the price was $1.35.
Price may vary now.  :-)

It's a good tip highly recommended by me.

dit  dit
SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




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To: [e-mail]
Subject:  QRP: Suggestion

      I know I've only been on the list a little while, but I have a sugegstion
that might make it a little nicer to use.  I am on three other mailing lists
like this, and all of them have adopted the convention of prepending a certain
short couple of letters and a colon to the beginning of their subject lines.
For example, I belong to an amateur astronomy club at school that calls itself
the Dartmouth Stargazers.  We have a list, and everyone who posts something to
the list uses SG: at the beginning of the subject line.  So, a subject line
might look like any of the following:

SG: Perseides meteor shower this week
SG: Aurora Update
SG: Anyone up for a star party Friday night?

      With this convention, I can know just from looking at the subject of the
message what list it is from - I don't even have to read the whole subject.
This really makes it a lot easier to prioritize and read your mail, especially
if you belong to multiple lists.

      So, I am suggesting that we adopt a convention of prepending our subject
lines with the QRP: prefix, like I have done with this message.  It's a very
easy habit to adopt, and it realy does make a difference.

     So, is this a good idea?  What do y'all think?

_ken/n1pvb

From [e-mail]  Fri Nov 26 09:03:43 1993
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  (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4); Thu, 25 Nov 1993 15:16:20 -0500
From: Scott Wood <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: QRP: Suggestion
To: [e-mail] (ken)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 15:16:18 -0500 (EST)
Cc: [e-mail]
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` We have a list, and everyone who posts something to
` the list uses SG: at the beginning of the subject line.  So, a subject line
` might look like any of the following:
`
` SG: Perseides meteor shower this week
`
`     So, I am suggesting that we adopt a convention of prepending our subject
` lines with the QRP:

I personally use elm-filters, and any mail from [e-mail] is saved in
an incoming file (mail folder) called ~/Mail/qrp

I don't really think it is necessary to have a subject line convention
when all the mail is coming from the same place anyway.

swood

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csh> more ~/.elm/filter-rules

::::::::::::::
/u/vela/u1/swood/.elm/filter-rules
::::::::::::::
if (to contains "qrp") then
    save /amd/vela/u/vela/u1/swood/Mail/qrp

csh> filter -r

Rule 4:  if (to = "qrp") then
      Save /amd/vela/u/vela/u1/swood/Mail/qrp

From [e-mail]  Fri Nov 26 10:35:32 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: Re: Brooms and Oedipus, explained
To: [e-mail] (Paul Blumstein)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 14:24:38 -0500 (EST)
Cc: [e-mail]
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 And we ALMOST forgot about coils!

By the way, our system is gonna be down for 8 -10 hrs ...need to oil the
disc drive...so I may lose all the recent mail... so if anyone has
replied to me or asked somthing, and I don't respond, try again!

--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Fri Nov 26 17:27:41 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: 6AG7 One tube qrp xmit
To: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:23:38 -0500 (EST)
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      6AG7 one tube xmit    40 mtrs ( daytimer )

                     8 _____________________
               1     __|__                 |
              _______.....   6          ___|___
              |      .....______        |     ) 15uh
             ### ____.....      | 50pf _|_/   )               50-75 ohms
               4 |   _____      |      ___    )  ____________o out
                 |   |   |5     |     / |     ) (____________o gnd
                 |       |      |      ###    )        |
     +---[O]-----+-)(----+-)(-+ |_____________|       ###
     |           | 22pf  |220 |         |    _|_ .01
    ### 7110kc   <       ( pf###        |    ___
        xtal     >       (              |     |
   FT-243     56 >       ( 1 mh         o    ###          |  common wire
              K  >       (           170vdc              ### GND/chassie
                 |--)(---|             25-35 ma
                 |  .01  `---o key                decimal caps = uf
                ###      +---o                      pf = uuf
    /\                   |                        caps rated 250v
   |  |                 ###                       resis  "   1/4 w any%
   o  o  6.3vac 650ma                  all crossing lines are connected
   2  7  heater

                         Tube socket, BOTTOM view

                         4   5
                         o   o
                      3o       o6

                      2o       o7
                         o v o
                        1 key 8       Expect 300 mw aprox output.
                          way

15 uh ... 35 turns 7/8" dia, 1 " long
    link coil  6 turns                 #22 to 28 wire OK

50 pf         ok if FRS's 55pf trimmer cap
Xtal          W0LPS ( CW Crystal co)
Tube socket   FRS or Antique Electronic Supply ( AES )

 170vdc is from a 110-125vac xformer..whose 6.3 v 600 ma coil is wired
to the Filament xformer (6.3vac 2 amps).
 This converts 6.3 v  back up to isolated 110vac.
A bridge rect ( 400piv 1 amp) followed by 220 uf  200vdc electrolytic
will make 175-180vdc (no load).
 At 35 ma, it may fall to 150vdc, but is OK for this rig.

Note...a 6CL6  or 12BY7  ( different socket wiring) will work the same
as this one will....so, a sub of tube ( and rewire socket ) can be done.
Those 2 tubes are 9 pin mini tubes
12HG7 will sub 12BY7 directly.     ( if ya need info on that, buzz me)

Note... a 5902 sub-mini tube ( direct-solder in like a transistor)
will also work in ckt above, but B+ must be dropped to 90-120vdc.
A choke (8-16 hy 40ma) put between 220uf 200v  and rect. will do that.

Tune up: Altho a 3 volt 25 ma bulb in series to the key will work as
a current indicator, you can use station Rx set to tell when it is
correctly tuned ( least chirp & raspyness as you key).
Full power does not quite occur at same point as best keying does...
no loaded osc ever does....but you'll have same S-reading 'out there'
so just go for a clean sig.

Start with the 50pf at full mesh, tap the key repeatedly and adj
the cap until you hear the signal ( see it on bulb as a sudden change
in britness)..or see it on a watt meter ( good luck!), if it can read
that low.
Then adj for cleanest signal.


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Fri Nov 26 19:44:10 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Sargent N8OFS)
Subject: TEST, please reply with time recieved
To: [e-mail] (Boatanchors), [e-mail] (QRP)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 14:14:34 -0500 (EST)
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Test message...

Please reply with time recieved...

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Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

From [e-mail]  Fri Nov 26 23:28:37 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Sargent N8OFS)
Subject: Tube QRP Rig
To: [e-mail] (QRP)
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: 1 TUBE transmitter for QRP
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      6AG7 one tube xmit    40 mtrs ( daytimer )

                     8 _____________________
               1     __|__                 |
              _______.....   6          ___|___
              |      .....______        |     ) 15uh
             ### ____.....      | 50pf _|_/   )               50-75 ohms
               4 |   _____      |      ___    )  ____________o out
                 |   |   |5     |     / |     ) (____________o gnd
                 |       |      |      ###    )        |
     +---[O]-----+-)(----+-)(-+ |_____________|       ###
     |           | 22pf  |220 |         |    _|_ .01
    ### 7110kc   <       ( pf###        |    ___
        xtal     >       (              |     |
   FT-243     56 >       ( 1 mh         o    ###          |  common wire
              K  >       (           170vdc              ### GND/chassie
                 |--)(---|             25-35 ma
                 |  .01  `---o key                decimal caps = uf
                ###      +---o                      pf = uuf
    /\                   |                        caps rated 250v
   |  |                 ###                       resis  "   1/4 w any%
   o  o  6.3vac 650ma                  all crossing lines are connected
   2  7  heater

                         Tube socket, BOTTOM view

                         4   5
                         o   o
                      3o       o6

                      2o       o7
                         o v o
                        1 key 8       Expect 300 mw aprox output.
                          way

15 uh ... 35 turns 7/8" dia, 1 " long
    link coil  6 turns                 #22 to 28 wire OK

50 pf         ok if FRS's 55pf trimmer cap
Xtal          W0LPS ( CW Crystal co)
Tube socket   FRS or Antique Electronic Supply ( AES )

FRS= Fair Radio Sales


 170vdc is from a 110-125vac xformer..whose 6.3 v 600 ma coil is wired
to the Filament xformer (6.3vac 2 amps).
 This converts 6.3 v  back up to isolated 110vac.
A bridge rect ( 400piv 1 amp) followed by 220 uf  200vdc electrolytic
will make 175-180vdc (no load).
 At 35 ma, it may fall to 150vdc, but is OK for this rig.

Note...a 6CL6  or 12BY7  ( different socket wiring) will work the same
as this one will....so, a sub of tube ( and rewire socket ) can be done.
Those 2 tubes are 9 pin mini tubes
12HG7 will sub 12BY7 directly.     ( if ya need info on that, buzz me)

Note... a 5902 sub-mini tube ( direct-solder in like a transistor)
will also work in ckt above, but B+ must be dropped to 90-120vdc.
A choke (8-16 hy 40ma) put between 220uf 200v  and rect. will do that.

Tune up: Altho a 3 volt 25 ma bulb in series to the key will work as
a current indicator, you can use station Rx set to tell when it is
correctly tuned ( least chirp & raspyness as you key).
Full power does not quite occur at same point as best keying does...
no loaded osc ever does....but you'll have same S-reading 'out there'
so just go for a clean sig.

Start with the 50pf at full mesh, tap the key repeatedly and adj
the cap until you hear the signal ( see it on bulb as a sudden change
in britness)..or see it on a watt meter ( good luck!), if it can read
that low.
Then adj for cleanest signal.


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Sat Nov 27 13:03:33 1993
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Date: Sat, 27 Nov 93 13:03:20 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Eric J. Grabowski)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: CB Conversion to 6 Meters
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Eric J. Grabowski)



>[e-mail] (Andrew Sargent N8OFS) writes:

>Do you or have you converted any 40ch CB's to 6 meters?

No Andrew, I haven't tried converting a CB radio for use on 6
meters; however, I see no reason why it can't be done.

>I have a buddy (N8NVO) of mine who converted a 23ch Johnson
AM/SSB to 6 meters, but it's bandwith leaves much to be desired.
i.e.  it dosen't cover the AM portion (like the calling frequency
of 50.400).

I'm not sure what you mean by bandwidth. Since it's a 23 channel
radio you should be able to cover ANY 290 kHz portion of the 6
meter band. A 40 channel radio can cover 440 kHz.

Incidently, some PLL chips in the older radios have an "unused"
counter pin. By connecting this pin to Vcc or Vss through a pull-
up or pull-down resistor, you can use a toggle switch to double
the number of channels available. (No, I don't know specifically
what chips those are or what radios they're in.)

If you mean that the bandwidth is restricted because the
performance of the receiver, transmitter, or both falls off
sharply near the band edges, then I would suspect that the Q of
the tuned circuits in the receiver rf stage and/or transmitter driver
and final stages is too high or the low-pass filter was not
modified properly.

73, Eric

--
Eric Grabowski, WA8HEB            [e-mail]
Chagrin Falls, Ohio


From [e-mail]  Sat Nov 27 19:30:09 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Sargent N8OFS)
Subject: elm Filter ideas???
To: [e-mail] (Boatanchors), [e-mail] (QRP)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1993 19:28:54 -0500 (EST)
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Hello all,

Does anybody know how to make a filter for elm that will separate the
Boatanchors and QRP mailing lists into seperate folders, OR, put 'BA'
(for Boatanchors) and 'QRP' (for QRP) appended to the subject headers?

--
Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM    =       N8OFS
Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

From [e-mail]  Sat Nov 27 22:52:16 1993
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  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for [e-mail]); Sat, 27 Nov 1993 22:51:57 -0500
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1993 22:51:57 -0500
From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

Well, Some time ago my friend K2DB was operating sweepstakes, and
he ran into NN1G on the air.  Becuase of the popularity of the
NN1G transceiver, Paul talked to Dave (NN1G) about getting the artwork
for the original NN1G rig, so that we might make some of the 20 meter
rigs.  Well Dave was really helpful, and sent the entire NN1G Mark II
package that I guess is going to appear in QRP quarterly in January.

Well, with this new artwork in hand, I set out to make the 20 meter version
of the rig, using the Mark II artwork.  First I made the two boards using
the July, 1993 QST process for making p.c. boards.  I'll be honest, the
result wasn't the best, but definitely usable boards.

Parts aquistion was a little work, but amongst my own parts drawer, and
a friends parts drawer, I had enough parts to commence construction.

For the crystal filter, I used 10 Mhz xtals, because they were available.
To match them, I found that setting the 10 MHz source up on one xtal,
and the measuring the response on a scope, I could match them easily.
But you know, I really found that the particular xtals that I had , all of
them were close enough!

Once I had the xtals, and the rest of the parts, I decided to start building
the Receiver board.  This is because the VFO circuitry is on the Rx, and I
wanted to debug as I built the circuitry.
As I started stuffing the board, I found a minor artwork error, but I won't
mention it, becuase I guess that the artwork is already being fixed.
Anyway, I got around that problem, then  fired up the receiver alone.

Two problems were encountered.  One is that there was a sound comming
from the receiver that sounded a lot like precipitation static.  But
I noticed the noise even though the antenna was not connected. Well
this bothered me, because I new I had a real problem.  Well during the
parts scrounging process, I could not find 78l08's right off, and looked
at the specs for the NE-602 for it's max voltage rating. Well this was
listed as 8 volts MAX!  So I finally found a 78l08, and measued it's output
as 8.18 volts. As a guess, I cranked down the 12 volt supply , and the
noise went away. I got the meter out, and as the reg voltage dropped below
8 volts, the precip noise, now narrowed down to a breakdown noise, went
away!  So I replaced the 78l08 with one that had 7.8  regulated volts out.
This cured the problem, but it may be something to note, that you may wnat
to be careful with this if you use an 8 volt regulator.

Problem Number 2.   I found that as I increased the volume, that the LM386
oscillated at a high freq audio.  This was cured by changing various caps,
and I really don't know if this problem is something that I introduced, and
then cured or not.

Now the reciver was working great. The selectivity is fantastic!
I can hear everything that my old Kenwood TS-520 can with the NN1G receiver!

Transmitter construction was next. This took only a very short time to
complete, and there appeared to be no artwork errors.  I got this
put together with one exception the output transistor.  I found that
a good 2n3553 seems to work pretty good in place of the recomended transistor.
I am getting more than a watt out, but haven't measured on the scope with a
dummy load yet.

I next wired the two together , and was ready for putting it on the air.
I listened, and everything was CQ test.... oh boy! I hate contests,
especially all that computer generated garbage.  Anyway, I'll have to wait
till this "test of my will" is over for my first contact with the NN1G Mark II
, but I predict that it will work 10x better on receive than the Spider.

In retrospect, I might try to get 10.x Mhz xtals, something other than
the 10 Mhz, because there is a little feedthru of WWV.  I predict that will
go away when I put it in a metal box.
Also, I probably have $20.00 into this whole project, and I bet I'll make
one for other bands, and then some.

                73 all, and happy homebrewing!!! Brad WB8YGG

From [e-mail]  Sun Nov 28 13:45:40 1993
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    id AA04432; Sun, 28 Nov 93 10:45:03 PST
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 93 10:45:03 PST
From: [e-mail] (Doug Hendricks)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Rayovac Renewal Batteries

I picked up some of the new rechargable alkaline batteries at Fry's Electronics
yesterday.  They cost $5.89 for four AA, and the Charger was $13.25.  It takes
3 to 5 hours to charge the batteries, they are supposed to last 25 cycles, and
they come fully charged.  If these babies are for real, watch out nicads.  Any
one else had any experience with these?  CUL, 72, Doug

From [e-mail]  Sun Nov 28 14:15:35 1993
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    id AA04451; Sun, 28 Nov 93 11:14:59 PST
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 93 11:14:59 PST
From: [e-mail] (Doug Hendricks)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NC40 Mobile Report

Jim, WA6GER sent this to me for the next issue of QRPp.  I thought that you
might enjoy hearing about the success of his mobile trip with the NorCal 40.
Also, it might inspire you to post your experiences with the NC40.  If you
have comments for Jim, send them to me and I will relay as he is not on
internet.  72, Doug
KI6DS


    My wife and I just returned from a trip to Idaho Falls, visiting Mac,
W7JDZ, a member of Norcal.
    In the hills east of Reno, fired up and on a CQ, got a nice qso from
Southern Utah. Out in the Nevada flats, worked four states, and many friends
and five NorCal members. None were scheduled. A pleasure to have two QSO's
with Bob, W6CYZ, and several with Mac, K6AGN, Mac, W7JDZ, Hall, N6SYW. Also,
Forrest, N6ZBZ, in Redlands. All except one signal report was Q5, and I did
get two QRZeds from stations I called.
    Most reports were 559 to 579. The antenna used was a Hamstick, mag
mounted on the roof of the car. The NorCal-40 fit in the front of the console
just exactly, and no ignition noise, albeit used the cig. lighter for power.
The key used was a TenTec with paddle built in, a mate for the Century 21.
Not the greatest, but my code speed was much, much less than my highway
speed, so it worked fine. It sat on the back part of the console, and with my
arm on the arm rest, wrist dangling off the end, it was easy to key.
     I made about 12-15 contacts on the way up, one lasting for 80 miles, a
real ragchew. Could have made more, but why hog the band?
     Footnote: Put the rig on the Bird wattmeter to compare output with Mac's
NorCal 40. Mine was putting out just over one watt. Yipes! I had not cranked
the drive up after I tweaked the capicator.
     On the return, worked a half dozen stations, but with winds up to 50 mph,
lots of trucks throwing up slush, snow, rain, tended to ruin my concentration
of copying and sending. As for driving, this was across Nevada. Don't have to
do much except correct the steering every so many miles.
     Purpose of this is not to brag (ahem). No, I've been QRP mobile before,
so knew what to expect. Here, just want to say how well it works. Get that
antenna up high, above a good ground plane. jim

PART II
     In the mobile report sent out previously, I must have been doing a
lot of ego satisfying, cuz I did not give proper credit to the NorCal-40, and
to Wayne, N6KR, who designed it.
     The rig worked flawlessly, which I expected it to; perhaps that is why
I neglected to comment on the rig.  It is a pleasure to operate mobile.
Tuning is smooth, and quickly zeros in on the desired station. Covers the
allotted kilohertz without straining the arm, a plus in mobile operating.
The RF gain control really comes in handy when the big guns are almost
fracturing the front end. I used it a lot. All reports were complimentary
as to tone, keying shape, etc., and some of the comments were from old time
CW ops who DO know a clean signal.
     So, all credit to Wayne, N6KR, who has designed a QRP rig with superhet
receiver, which is just as easy to build and get on the air as a direct
conversion, supposedly simplier, rig.  Just between us, Wayne's rig is easier!
72/3 jim
WA6GER

{By the way Jim is the co-founder of NorCal QRP club and is the one who packaged
all of those kits for the NorCal 40}.

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 07:36:43 1993
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  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <[e-mail]>); Mon, 29 Nov 1993 07:36:24 -0500
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 07:36:24 -0500
From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN1G Mark II continued

First sorry about the message without a title except 94/5296, but I sent
that message from home, and forgot the title.  Anyway, I made my first contact
with the NN1G Mark II on 20 meters
all the way to Hamlin NY (5 miles), pre planned with K2DB. I had called cq
several times this weekend, but all I ever got was YGG 5NN , well, I didn't
want to contest, so I just politely said thanks but no thanks. I don't
consider those contacts, so I still haven't had a non planned qso in my book.

Later in the day K2DB stopped over.  (He's one of those contester types).
he tuned around for a second with the NN1G MK-II and within a second made a
contact with someone out in the middle of the country.

I really want to thank Dave Benson NN1G for all of his efforts in getting
this designed and published. Hats off to a dedicated ham!!

73 all Brad WB8YGG

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 09:25:19 1993
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    id AA02250; Mon, 29 Nov 93 07:24:56 MST
    id AA17631; Mon, 29 Nov 93 07:25:10 MST
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 07:25:10 MST
From: Doug Datwyler <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <9311291425.AA17631@moons>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: QRPp from NORCAL club members, #75 or less

Greetings,
I just got done reading through one of the best little magazines I have
seen, _QRPp_. To Doug Hendicks, this is one nice presentation, especially
compared to _hambrew_.
I would like to know if any NORCAL member, #75 or less, would help
provide me copies of the first two _QRPp_ issues? I pay copying and mailing
costs.
TNX 72/73
Doug Datwyler WR7O
[e-mail]

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 09:37:35 1993
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 08:39:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "JEFF M. GOLD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: QRPp
To: [e-mail]
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HI all,

hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

Was going to send this private to Doug, but figured it deserved public.

Got my QRPp in time for Thanksgiving vacation. Had my new QST and CQ and
a few other magazines lined up to relax with. Figured I would tackle the
QRPp and just go through it quickly and get on to the REAL magazines.
Well I ended up reading some of the articles 2-3 times and REALLY
ENJOYED the publications.

My impressions of this last issue:

1. very professional
2. good mix of articles
3. articles were well written
4. AMAZING how this was done on the budget
5. why can this little? club produce such and excellent publication and
   QQ which must have much more resources isn't very good

When I joined the ARCI, I really looked forward to receiving my QQ.
First I have received every issue describing QRP contests after the
contest was over. The magazine is large in physical size, but the
content wasn't up to even my lowest expectations. There are some good
articles such as the NN1G, but all considered, very dissapointing.

Anyway, Doug I personally feel that you did a fantastic job. I wish I
could get you and the other club members to move to Tennessee so that I
can come to the meetings and become active in a real QRP club that is
doing GREAT things.

Thanks and keep up the good work.

72

Jeff, AC4HF

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 09:56:56 1993
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 08:58:46 -0600 (CST)
From: "JEFF M. GOLD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: CMOS Super Keyer II
To: [e-mail]
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Hi again,

got my not working CMOS Super Keyer II out of the junk box Sunday to see
if I could get it to work. This is the $25 R&R kit version. I built the
original Idiom Press 2 years ago and use it during contests and love it.
Have no idea why I ordered this.. have about 7 keyers.

Well if Doug wants I will write this up, but here is the short version:

The kit was a bargain. The Idiom press came with a board and board
components, you provide the case, the pushbuttons, the battery holders,
the jacks. This kit came with the board, board components, 4 nice
pushbuttons that have wires coming off them, a small speaker.

My impression is the Idiom Press PC board was better quality. Some of
the ground trace fell off the R&R version.. no problem.. didn't even
need that part of the trace. I found with my Idiom Press that I turned
the monitor function off anyway, so only needed the speaker for
programming the memories and changing parameters. The R&R speaker was
fine for this. I put my original Idiom Press in a fairly large Radio
Shack plastic box and used large push buttons.  This time I bought a
real small Radio Shack plastic box with the metal top.. I think it is
about 4X2. This keyer is really small.. didn't have room for the 3 AA
battery holder and such.. Stacked 2 of the holders and kinda shoved the
whole thing in the box and didn't even fasten anything.. the assembly is
so tight, I didn't need to.

I had carefully soldered all the components and wired up all the jacks
and pushbuttons a while back and it didn't work. I knew I was careful
and the bottom of the board looked real good.  Had a bunch of stuff to
do, so just put it away. Well I decided I should be able to fix the
thing.. not many parts to it. I took out the Idiom Press version and
measured all the chip voltages, and then did the same for the R&R
version. I was somewhat surprised to find the voltages identical. This
got me thinking-I took my multimeter and checked the output of the chip
and found it was ditting and dahing. Traced down the problem. It seems
that the enclosed parts layout shows the transistors in one way and the
transistors that came with it are backwards from the version in the
article (emitter and collector on oposite sides). The transistors were
in fact marked  (one for the speaker and one for the keying transistor).
I pulled them out and had in fact blown them. I found one 2222 in my
junk box and put it in for the speaker. I found that all the funtions
were in fact working.. but wouldn't key.. was going to go to RS to get a
replacement for the keying transistor. Decided I didn't want to go to
town so took out a 3904? and used it.. made 25 contacts with it in the
contest using the ARK40 and my Gap Vertical. The only other perculiarity
was Z1.. the one in the R&R looks like a small cap and doesn't have a
ground leg.. so there is an extra hole in the board.

I really like the smaller size of this.. don't know what I am going to
do with 2 contest keyers.. may have to put one in my HW9.


Well I can't tell any difference between the functionality of the 2
keyers.. They are both the best keyers (even taking out all the
capabilities of the CMOS) the keyer just works great as a keyer (even
better than my 3 Curtis keyers). As a contest keyer, I still feel it
can't be beat.. I like it better than the expensive AEA and have used
both during contests.


72

Jeff, AC4HF

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 10:32:27 1993
          29 Nov 93 10:32 EST
    id AA28241; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:32:13 EST
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:32:12 EST
From: [e-mail]
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Paddles

I'm getting ready to buy an new iambic paddle and am looking for some
advise. I've played with both the Jones and Bencher paddles at my
latest hamfest and liked the Jones paddle a lot.  I'm really
interested in hearing from any one who has used a couple of different
brands and has some solid advise.  Is the Jones key worth the $135
price tag?  How do others (Kent, Vibroplex, ???) compare?

My father seems to remember a review of several of these in the last
year or two, but I have been unable to find the article.  Does anybody
know which Magazine and which issue has the most recent review of
several paddles.

Thanks,
Bob (N4AHB)

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 11:24:54 1993
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    id AA17544 for [e-mail]; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:24:47 -0500
    id AA396317 ; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:09:22 EST
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 16:09:44 GMT
Message-Id: <22646@jek>
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kearman)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Converting a CB to 6 Meters

The frequency excursion from 11 meters to 6 meters is
essentially one octave. Many of the devices used in
the RF sections of a CB rig won't work too well by the
time you get to 50 MHz.

72, Jim, KR1S



From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 11:29:53 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Bill White)
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Subject: Novice with a soldering question
To: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 11:29:44 -0500 (EST)
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I am a complete novice kit builder.  I have the NorCal 40
QRP transciever, but it is the first kit I will have built
in the modern era, so I decided to build the CMOS Super
Keyer II from R&R Research as practice.  I have a couple
of questions about soldering.

My soldering procedure is this.  I have an Ungar
soldering iron with two speeds -- 25 watts and 33 watts.
I use the 25 watt speed pretty much exclusively, since
33 watts seems to be too fast for my skill.  The tip is
1/8 inch in diameter, and from the side looks like a
church roof, kind of like this:

    /\ <-- The crest.
       /  \
       |  |
       |  |
       |  |
      /    \
     /      \
     |      |
     |      |
     |      |
     |      |
     |      |
     |      |


except that it's more symmetrical than I can draw with
ascii graphics.  It's flat on the sides, like a chisel.
This picture is looking along the flat sides, so that
the top diagonals are really a flat plane.
I call the very top the *crest*, for lack of a better name.
(If there is a better name, tell me.) When I install the
parts I put the lead through the hole and bend it slightly
(1/16 inch or so) along the adjacent trace.  I then put the
crest of the soldering iron along the lead and heat up the
lead and the pad until the solder flows over both of them.

1.) The biggest problem I have is that when I solder the
    molten solder wicks up the iron, and I get little
    peaks over the pads.  Maybe this isn't a problem,
    but my solder joints never look like the ones I
    see in commercially made equipment.
2.) The next problem I have is that I get a bunch of
    junk from the flux all over the board.  Do I just
    clean this up with some carcinogenic solvent or
    other?  Should I just ignore it?  It seems
    aesthetically displeasing to leave things that
    way.
3.) The 1/8 inch tip seems very clumsy when used with
    this particular kit (the keyer.)  There is a smaller
    tip, maybe 1/16 inch.  Is this necessary?  Is the
    1/8 inch conical tip better?  It seems like it would
    be clumsier than the chisel tipped one.

I hope these questions are not too elementary.

                    Peace,
                    Bill White
                    N1OSA

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 12:09:05 1993
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    (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03173; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:10:27 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:NN1G, QRPp, etc.
To: [e-mail]
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:10:26 MST
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

Well, I have a subscriber of the qrp mail list since sometime in the summer.
I have enjoyed reading the comments of the various contributors; but I have
not felt that I had anything to contribute so far.  However, today I thought
I would share my impressions of the items listed in the subject line.

First, the NN1G I bought as a kit from Dan's Small Parts and Kits.  Other than
a couple of missing capacitors and the fact that I murdered a couple of
the IF cans cutting off the leads (I ordered more from Dan) the rig went
together fine.  I took some windings off a couple of toroids to get the VFO into
the 4 Mhz range and to get the transmitter to zero beat the receiver.  (At
least I think it is.)  I finally was able to get it on the air on Friday, Nov.
26th.  About 440pm MST (2340Z) I answered the CQ of an N8.  He turned out
to be in West Virginia and gave me a 579 on the signal.  On the other hand I
was hearing him about 559 (What does this say about reciprocity, Chuck?).
However, shortly after we began the QSO some stronger signals came up nearby
and I lost him in the QRM.  By that time, as I started to tune around the band,
I discovered that everyone had gone into contest mode, so I shutdown the rig.
Maybe tonight or tomorrow I can try some more.  In any case I have 1 QSO at a
distance of about 1400 miles.  I don't know what my power output is but I
suspect I must be near the kilomile/watt level.  Bye the bye, I have installed
my boards in an aluminum box from RS.  It is 5-1/4"x3"x2-1/8".  It was a bit
snug, and I had to pull Rx board out to do its alignment;but it does make for
a compact unit.

Regarding QRPp:  I found it to be a fine publication.  It seems like a
tremendous bargain.  Keep up the good work.

Keith, AB5QE (formerly KJ5QH, N5SIV, K7RBJ, KN7RBJ, as Jeff would say)

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 12:34:43 1993
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:34:34 CST
From: [e-mail] (David Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Rayovac Renewal Batteries

Can these really compete with nicads?  Given that most nicads can
be recharged > 1000 times?  Granted each cycle is shorter, but
25 times does seem awfully short.


Sourdough and Ham  KG0IO

--David C. Adams        internet:  [e-mail]
  Statistician          uunet:     uunet!cray!dadams
  Cray Research Inc.    packet:       kg0io@tcman.#msp.mn.usa.noam

       Experience   -->  Identify   -->  Analyze  -->  Generalize

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 12:45:23 1993
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    id AA05935; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:44:53 MST
    id AA19607; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:45:05 MST
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:45:05 MST
From: Doug Datwyler <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <9311291745.AA19607@moons>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: QRPp from members #75 or less

Thanks to those who have offered, I have already asked if one of you can
it, of course on a time available basis.
72/73 Doug Datwyler WR7O
[e-mail]

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 13:19:41 1993
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    id AA02075 for [e-mail]; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:19:30 -0500
    id AA396573 ; Mon, 29 Nov 93 13:03:02 EST
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 18:03:32 GMT
Message-Id: <22664@jek>
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kearman)
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Rayovac Renewal Batteries


Somebody on rec.radio.shortwave did some tests on these
"renewable" alkalines. He found they recovered to the
same voltage whether or not he charged them, when new,
but deteriorated faster when used in the charger. Ie,
a ripoff.

72, Jim, KR1S


From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 13:34:05 1993
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Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Date: 29 Nov 1993 13:32:28 -0800
From: "Bob Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Inexpensive Radio Project f
To: "QRP" <[e-mail]>

                      Inexpensive Radio Project for Scouts
To all the fine folks on this list...

Maybe you can help me out with something.  I work with the Boy Scouts
and am a Radio Merit Badge Counselor.  I am looking for an
inexpensive project (under $20, prefer under $15) that the Scouts
can build to fulfill the requirement that they build something.  I would prefer
to find some kind of receiver since it would be more
useful than a code practice oscillator and could possibly spur them
on to getting into ham radio.  Anyway, if anyone has any suggestions, I
would be very interested.

73
Bob
AC4QO



From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 13:48:22 1993
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    for [e-mail] id AA19425; Mon, 29 Nov 93 10:48:11 -0800
    for @sgi.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA04760; Mon, 29 Nov 93 12:48:04 -0600
    for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA25255; Mon, 29 Nov 93 12:48:03 -0600
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 12:48:03 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN1G Mark II Kit


Danny Stevig at Dan's Small Parts and Kits, 1935 South 3rd West #1,
Missoula MT  59801, has two kits available now.

NN1G Mark II Kit for either 80, 40, 30, or 20M for $49.95 + $3.75S&H.
This kit does NOT have the air variable cap - boards, components on the
board and 10K audio pot.  You must provide case, plugs, knobs, etc.

NN1G Mark II Kit for either 80, 40, 30, or 20M for $59.95 + $3.75S&H.
This kit does have the air variable cap - boards, components on the board
and 10K audio pot.  You must provide case, plugs, knobs, etc.

These kits use the larger 10.7M IF cans and has some corrections and
updates to the boards.  Boards are manufactured by FAR Circuits.  I
have not seen the new boards yet.  I'll let you know when I get my
kit.  I have one on order now.

This rig will be featured in the Jan '94 issue of QRP ARCI Quarterly.

If you have any interest in this rig, you should get your order in
immediately.  I'd send a MO, if you can afford the extra $0.59 at
7-11 store to get one.

I understand that rigs will start to ship in two or three weeks, but
don't quote me on that.  Patience is virtue.

I seem to hear rumblings from several people that the parts for RF are
getting scarce.  Seems like the kit business and experimenters are not
a large market at the present time and seems to be decreasing.

Think about it.  How many hams do you know that experiment very much?
It's time consuming and rounding up parts is sometimes a nitemare,
especially if you are very busy and have a real job to do.  The overhead
of supplying parts in quantities of one'sies and two'sies is tremendous
with todays standards of living.  Not too many people want to live on
$12,000 a year.

I am not associated with or paid by Dan's Small Parts and Kits for this
information and it's distribution.  New catalog out from Dan too.  Two
stamps to the above address will get you a new catalog.

I'm going back to my hole now.  de k5fo    dit    dit


oh, point I was trying to make.  Parts prices have increased recently
and will continue to increase.  Also, a lot of the parts you and I are
used to using are disappearing.  Substitution will be required and will
become an art unto itself.

dit   dit
SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 14:01:32 1993
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    id AA10034; Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:01:19 -0500
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:01:19 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Duane P Mantick)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Rayovac Renewal Batteries

I suspect you'd need to weigh it out versus the application.  There appear
to be some aplications that are voltage sensitive.  If a NiCad only supplies
1.25 volts while the Renewal cell supplies 1.5, it might be a substantial
difference for those applications.

Let us also consider the environmental implications - if you go 25 times as
long before you pitch them in the trash, it will slow down the rate at
which this stuff accumulates in your neighborhood landfill (assuming that
any sizeable part of the battery using population buys these devices).

When you consider the slime that accumulates and reacts in these landfills
and then leaches out of the soil into the water you drink, such product
improvements make a great deal of sense......

Duane
wb9omc

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 14:26:57 1993
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    id AA03515; Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:27:21 EST
    id AA19761; Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:27:16 EST
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
    id AA18945; Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:27:15 EST
To: "Bob Scott" <[e-mail]>
Cc: "QRP" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Radio Project f
In-Reply-To: Your message of "29 Nov 93 13:32:28 PST."
             <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:27:15 EST
From: "John F. Woods" <[e-mail]>

>                       Inexpensive Radio Project for Scouts
> To all the fine folks on this list...
> Maybe you can help me out with something.  I work with the Boy Scouts
> and am a Radio Merit Badge Counselor.  I am looking for an
> inexpensive project (under $20, prefer under $15) that the Scouts
> can build to fulfill the requirement that they build something.  I would prefer
> to find some kind of receiver since it would be more
> useful than a code practice oscillator and could possibly spur them
> on to getting into ham radio.  Anyway, if anyone has any suggestions, I
> would be very interested.

A shortwave receiver for 41 meters might fit the bill; if you bought NE602s
and LM386s in bulk, there's no shortage of real simple designs for simple
(cheap) direct-conversion rigs (not ideal for shortwave listening, but
tolerable).  And, of course, it works for the 40 meter amateur band at the
same time ;-).

John, WB7EEL

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 14:29:10 1993
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Date:    Mon, 29 Nov 1993 13:29:04 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail]
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Subject: NORCAL and QRPp
To: [e-mail]
X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"[e-mail]"

I have seen some rave reviews of the NORCAL magazine QRPp.  I have not
seen any info on how to/much to join NORCAL and get the magazine.  Could
someone please mail me the info.

Thanks

Ted [e-mail]
KC5CUW

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 14:54:34 1993
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    id AA15018; Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:52:28 PST
    id AA754602848 Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:54:08 PST
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 11:54:08 PST
From: [e-mail]
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Renewal Alkalines ...OOPS.



  Jim Kearman writes ...
 >He found they recovered to the
 >same voltage whether or not he charged them, when new,
 >but deteriorated faster when used in the charger. Ie,
 >a ripoff.

 I think there is some confusion here, there were some inquiries about
the Ray-O-Vac Renewal batteries, but I think the article Jim is thinking
of referred to a TV-advertized charger which claimed to revive STANDARD
alkaline batteries.

The jury is still out on the Ray-O-Vac Renewals.
  ||/*
  ||
  || Gary W. Thorburn   [e-mail]   KB1AIF
  ||
  ||*/

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 16:40:23 1993
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    id AA09070; Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:40:53 -0700
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 14:40:53 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Tom J Farish)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Paddles

Hi...I haven't seen any replies in the group, so here goes.  There was a LONG\
article in '73 offering a mini-review of many paddles....I'll have to do some
digging to find which month, but it was within 6 months or so...the cover was
a red backgroud with lots of paddles on the cover.  The only paddles I was able
to playwith were a Bencher iambic and a Vibroplex 'Bug'.  I ended up with a
Bencher and I like it.
-Tom
KJ5LT

From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 21:29:54 1993
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    id AA16627; Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:28:00 -0500
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 21:18:17 -0500 (EST)
From: howie cahn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Anyone work the DX contest this weekend??
To: [e-mail]
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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Hi --
    I was just wondering if anybody tried working the CQWW contest this
past weekend QRP? I did with various pieces of equipment with 2-5 W out
and dipoles. At times it was pretty frustrating. I could hear all kinds of
loud stations, say at S9, but they couldn't hear me.  Then, path
propagation would improve, maybe 10 dB, and I could make QSOs for a while.
In any case, it was a good opportunity to try out a new xcvr I'd just
built. It's a superhet rx/2w tx, built "ugly" style, loosely based on
NN1G, K1BQT, K9AY, N4PC, etc. Anyone got any scores to report??

        72/73,

        howie, wb2cpu
        [e-mail]



From [e-mail]  Mon Nov 29 21:38:28 1993
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From: [e-mail] (John Welch)
Subject: Re: Rayovac Renewal Batteries
To: [e-mail] (qrp mailing list)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 08:43:42 -0600 (CST)
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In your article <[e-mail]> ["Rayovac Renewal Batteries"], you wrote:

> I picked up some of the new rechargable alkaline batteries at Fry's Electronics
> yesterday.  They cost $5.89 for four AA, and the Charger was $13.25.  It takes
> 3 to 5 hours to charge the batteries, they are supposed to last 25 cycles, and
> they come fully charged.  If these babies are for real, watch out nicads.  Any
> one else had any experience with these?  CUL, 72, Doug

    We've had them for a month or so - use 6 of them in a DJ-580
dual-band HT.  They run quite well, and outlast the standard ni-cads
by quite a long margin.  We've re-charged them twice so far, not
because they needed it but because we could.
    Others have reported less than spectacular results, however.
They have a high internal resistance, so are not good in high-current
applications.  Trying to get 5-7 watts out of a high-powered HT may be
a no-no.  Ours were used listen-mostly, talk-occasionally for a total
of about 36 hours and were still running well when we re-charged
them.

--
John Welch, N9JZW

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 01:11:07 1993
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    on Mon, 29 Nov 1993 23:58:27 -0600.
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 23:56:15 +2409000 (??)
From: Douglas J Renze <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Radio Project f
To: Bob Scott <[e-mail]>
Cc: QRP <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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Yes.  In a QST in the last year or so, there was a simple
crystal-controlled receiver schematic for tuning into W1AW.  With a few
added components it converted into a QRP tranceiver.  Now, I believe that
the ARRL sells the kits for $24.95 or so each, but I believe they're
cheaper in quantity, not to mention the fact that the complete schematic
was published and you might be able to scratch-build them cheaper still
(ie, etch your own boards, etc).

73,  Doug

__  /|  | Doug Renze, N0YVW       |
\'o.O'  | [phone]         |   If you can read this you're too close.
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On 29 Nov 1993, Bob Scott wrote:

>                       Inexpensive Radio Project for Scouts
> To all the fine folks on this list...
>
> Maybe you can help me out with something.  I work with the Boy Scouts
> and am a Radio Merit Badge Counselor.  I am looking for an
> inexpensive project (under $20, prefer under $15) that the Scouts
> can build to fulfill the requirement that they build something.  I would prefer
> to find some kind of receiver since it would be more
> useful than a code practice oscillator and could possibly spur them
> on to getting into ham radio.  Anyway, if anyone has any suggestions, I
> would be very interested.
>
> 73
> Bob
> AC4QO
>
>




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In message "QRP: Suggestion", [e-mail] writes:

> ` We have a list, and everyone who posts something to
> ` the list uses SG: at the beginning of the subject line.  So, a subject line
> ` might look like any of the following:
> `
> ` SG: Perseides meteor shower this week
> `
> `     So, I am suggesting that we adopt a convention of prepending our subject
> ` lines with the QRP:
>
> I personally use elm-filters, and any mail from [e-mail] is saved in
> an incoming file (mail folder) called ~/Mail/qrp
>
> I don't really think it is necessary to have a subject line convention
> when all the mail is coming from the same place anyway.

     All of which is fine and good if you have the option of using elm.  I am
personally on a proprietary mail system that doesn't support filters and just
shoves everything into the inbox, regardless of where, when, who, or what it is.
I'm probably not the only person who has this sort of setup, either.
     Again, this is a suggestion.  It doesn't seem to me like it has been
followed over the weekend when I was out of touch, and if the list decides not
to bother, I can deal with it.  But it would make things easier for me and
no doubt others as well.

_ken/n1pvb

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 03:37:31 1993
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 22:37:21 HST
From: Jeff Herman <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: A gentle reminder
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

Gang,
   Because some folks on here only have a limited mailbox capacity, let's
please restrict the articles to QRP topics: By definition QRP means 5
watts or less xmt power. Associated topics include: kits, homebrew,
batteries, antennas, operating hints, building tips, Chuck and Kevin,
CB-to-Ham, and probably dozens of other neat stuff.
   If it's not QRP-related, please consider posting on the wonderful
rec.radio.xxx newsgroups.
   Thanks so much!

Jeff NH6IL (ex: WA6QIJ)

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 09:43:40 1993
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 09:41:36 -0500
From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: NN1G Mark II Kit


> Danny Stevig at Dan's Small Parts and Kits, 1935 South 3rd West #1,
> Missoula MT  59801, has two kits available now.
>
> NN1G Mark II Kit for either 80, 40, 30, or 20M for $49.95 + $3.75S&H.
> This kit does NOT have the air variable cap - boards, components on the
> board and 10K audio pot.  You must provide case, plugs, knobs, etc.
>
> NN1G Mark II Kit for either 80, 40, 30, or 20M for $59.95 + $3.75S&H.
> This kit does have the air variable cap - boards, components on the board
> and 10K audio pot.  You must provide case, plugs, knobs, etc.

Please Note, Danny currently doesn't have the 12.3 Mhz xtals for sale that
he has listed in his catalog.  He must have run out kitting parts for the
NN1G kits.

 This rig will be featured in the Jan '94 issue of QRP ARCI Quarterly.
>
> I seem to hear rumblings from several people that the parts for RF are
> getting scarce.  Seems like the kit business and experimenters are not
> a large market at the present time and seems to be decreasing.

I think not, Chuck, parts may be getting harder to get, but that's
because the demand is very high.
For instance:
Try to find a bottle of Ferric Chloride at you local Radio Shack in the
Rochester area... I dare you , it's difficult, because a bunch of people
have been turned on to this, and watch out, it's spreading!
>
> Think about it.  How many hams do you know that experiment very much?
> It's time consuming and rounding up parts is sometimes a nitemare,
> especially if you are very busy and have a real job to do.  The overhead
> of supplying parts in quantities of one'sies and two'sies is tremendous
> with todays standards of living.  Not too many people want to live on
> $12,000 a year.

I disagree ,Chuck, experimenting is reaching a new all time high
with new higher function components at our diposal thanks to the
current communications rage.

>
 oh, point I was trying to make.  Parts prices have increased recently
> and will continue to increase.  Also, a lot of the parts you and I are
> used to using are disappearing.  Substitution will be required and will
> become an art unto itself.
>
Actually parts prices are comming down from my perspective.

I haven't seen such good deals on the ne-602's as I have recently from 624
kits. WOW!


73 Brad WB8YGG
Chirp Chirp





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Subject: Re: QRP: Suggestion
In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 29 NOV 1993 07:54:00 EST

> In message "QRP: Suggestion", [e-mail] writes:
>
> > ` We have a list, and everyone who posts something to
> > ` the list uses SG: at the beginning of the subject line.  So, a subject lin
> > ` might look like any of the following:
> > `
> > ` SG: Perseides meteor shower this week
> > `
> > `     So, I am suggesting that we adopt a convention of prepending our subje
> > ` lines with the QRP:
> >
> > I personally use elm-filters, and any mail from [e-mail] is saved in
> > an incoming file (mail folder) called ~/Mail/qrp
> >
> > I don't really think it is necessary to have a subject line convention
> > when all the mail is coming from the same place anyway.
>
>      All of which is fine and good if you have the option of using elm.  I am
> personally on a proprietary mail system that doesn't support filters and just
> shoves everything into the inbox, regardless of where, when, who, or what it i
> I'm probably not the only person who has this sort of setup, either.
>      Again, this is a suggestion.  It doesn't seem to me like it has been
> followed over the weekend when I was out of touch, and if the list decides not
> to bother, I can deal with it.  But it would make things easier for me and
> no doubt others as well.
>
> _ken/n1pvb
I agree. My mail system doesn't support that stuff either and it is
a pain.

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From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 10:26:10 1993
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 07:26:02 PST
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Hawkins)
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: interests

Name: Steve Hawkins
Call: WV6U
Email: [e-mail]
Qrp Rigs: HW-8, 950s w/pwr turned down; ant is 5-BTV Vert.
QRP Favorites: solar power, portable use (camping),
Comments: Started out QRP, keep going back to it.

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 10:26:43 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Michael S. Dooley)
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Subject: NN1G MkII

Chuck,
    I take it this is the newer version of the venerable NN1G kit?  And
the same price (I think)?  Sounds like a good Christmas gift!!!
Mike Dooley KE4PC
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 14:58:21 GMT
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kearman)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ARRL Doesn't Sell Kits

Douglas J Renze <[e-mail]> says:

> Yes.  In a QST in the last year or so, there was a simple
> crystal-controlled receiver schematic for tuning into W1AW.  With a few
> added components it converted into a QRP tranceiver.  Now, I believe that
> the ARRL sells the kits for $24.95 or so each, but I believe they're
>

We don't sell kits. I believe the author of the article sells them,
though. Boards are probably available from FAR Circuits. W1AW's
80-meter CW frequency is about 3581 kHz. That frequency is close
enough to the US colorburst freq of 3579.545... kHz that you can use
a colorburst crystal in the local oscillator of a direct-conversion
receiver. Kits may be available for other W1AW frequencies if you
live outside the coverage area of our 80-meter signal.

For more information on who sells the kits, please email to
[e-mail]--Mike Tracy.

72, Jim, KR1S



From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 10:41:02 1993
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Subject: QRPp

I have just erceived my first issue and I'm totally blown away.  This
magazine has an incredible amount of editorial content.  Lots to read
and ponder.  And, I'm fascinated by the PIXIE 2, an 80 meter transceiver
that fits into a pill bottle.
My wish list of articles I'd like to see include a combination tuner/swr
bridge for QRP ops.  The MFJ tuner I use doesn't even deflect for my
2 watt OHR HP QRP Transceiver (great rig)!
73, Geoff WA1U

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 11:46:39 1993
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From: Peter Hardie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Anyone work the DX contest this weekend??
To: qrp mailing list <[e-mail]>
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>     I was just wondering if anybody tried working the CQWW contest this
> past weekend QRP? ......   Anyone got any scores to report??
A very half-hearted effort at 0.9W from here.
47QSOs 30Zones 39Countries 113Points = 7797.

2 of the QSOs on 10m. The others split between 20 and 15. I was using an
IC735 with the wick turned down and a 2-el quad at 40 feet. The bands
were awful but I did manage to get a couple of new QRP countries and some
insurance QRP QSOs with countries I haven't confirmed yet.

73 de Pete
[e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 11:58:33 1993
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 10:58:19 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: W1AW Rcvr


Looking at the November 1993 issue of QST, page 245, Radio Adventures Corp.,
R.D.4, Box 240, Franklin, PA  16323  [phone]

Company owned and operated by WA3FIY, author of the original article
in Feb 1992 QST.

Jim, KR1S, is right.  ARRL does not do kits.  :-)

Price of kit is $29.95 + $3.25 S&H.  $49.95 wired and assembled.  Uses
L shaped chassis, i.e. no cover.

hope this helps.

dit   dit   (better than chirp chirp)   :-)

SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 11:54:39 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Dan P. Trainor)
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Subject: QRPp

How can I subscribe to QRPp ?

Dan KB1JX

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 12:44:58 1993
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Subject: Xtal controlled w1aw rx
To: [e-mail]
X-Vms-Mail-To: EXOS%"[e-mail]"
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Gang:

Anyone know off the top 'o' their head which QST that the xtal controlled
w1aw rx appeared in? I have all QSTs back to 1978 but am too lazy to thumb
thru them all (besides lack of time). Also most are in storage temporarily
so it's difficult to look through a year or two of them.
Thanks!!!

de wk2a
Richard Penc
[e-mail]

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 12:45:31 1993
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Subject: Re: NN1G Mark II Kit
To: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams) (Chuck Adams)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 9:39:11 PST
Cc: [e-mail]
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from "Chuck Adams" at Nov 29, 93 12:48 (noon)
From: [e-mail] (Bob Headrick)
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bob Headrick)
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]

I have been hearing a lot on this channel about the NN1G tranceiver.
Could someone mail me some of the specs?  I'm interested in how it
compares with the NorCal 40 which has:

  - single conversion receiver
  - crystal filter
  - RIT
  - 4.5"x4.5"x2"
  - sidetone generated by receiving part of transmitted signal
  - covers ~40Khz of band (easily mod for wider coverage)
  - ~2W output
  - 15mA current drain on RX

I'm interested in 20M; if the NorCal kits were still available I would
move one up there, but I hate to cut mine up :-).

Thanks and 73.

Bob Headrick WA7OVU
[e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 13:48:29 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Cieslak)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NE602's

Is $2.59 too much to pay for a NE602an. I was browsing the digikey
 catalog and found them listed in the Phillips linear parts section?

Any suggestions where I could get a better price.  I'm going to
order 10 or 20.

Brian - AE9K

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 15:23:00 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: Re: QRP: Suggestion
To: [e-mail] (ABRC000)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 15:19:00 -0500 (EST)
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Like this, right?                    qrp is in the heading for subject.


I can go along with that...just need type 3 letters!


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 16:00:24 1993
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Subject: NE602 RCVR
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  The author of the W1AW RCVR started a new company to handle
this type of project. I have the address at my QTH. I'll drop
a line tomorrow with all the details.

73 (or 72 in this case)
John N3PFF

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 16:36:56 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Snowden)
Message-Id: <9311302137.AA23186@pd2>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: K9AY Receiver

I dont have the article in front of me and don't know where it is. My question
is: Did the receiver that he designed and appeared in QST have a NE602 IC
in it? How well did that receiver actually work?

    Doug N4IJ

From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 16:41:10 1993
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 21:21:49 GMT
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kearman)
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Temporary Outage at ARRL

I've just learned that our Internet connection is going
to be upgraded. Good news. The bad news is, we won't be
getting mail or news for as much as a week. We don't
expect to lose mail, but some news will be lost.

So....if you gotta get in touch with me, call:

203-666-1541 ext 279


I'll post again when I'm back on line.

73, Jim, KR1S


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From [e-mail]  Tue Nov 30 23:35:36 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Sargent N8OFS)
Subject: QRP|Any more Ascii schematics for qrp rigs???
To: [e-mail] (QRP)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 23:34:14 -0500 (EST)
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Hello again,

I am still looking for more of those wonderful Ascii schematic qrp
rigs that anybody might have on file.  I've been putting some of the
schematics in local Ham-newsletters, the gang(s) love them.

I already have NH6IL's 1-5 & 5-10 projects and the 6AG7 rig, but I
am still looking for more.

Sometime in the near future, I will post conversions of 49MHz stuff
to 6 Meters (about 20 converted devices).  BTW, we finally figured
out how to convert a cordless phone into a mini-6_meter repeater,
which can be hooked directly into a Yeasu FT-2400 via the phone
jack.  Yes, us good-for-nothing, lasy, ignorant, (anything else???)
No-Coder's have been at it again!!!

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From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 03:15:08 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Marco Fassiotto)
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Subject: QRPp Info
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I see many positive comments about QRPp and I'm getting curious. I think
that since it dosn't cost much it's probably worth a test subscription
for a year. Anyboby knows where I can turn to ask for info? I wish to know
the rates for overseas subscribers and how I can pay for it.

Thank you,
73, marco

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From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 06:45:59 1993
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From: "Bob Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FWD>BSA Receiver
To: "QRP" <[e-mail]>

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               FWD>BSA Receiver
Thanks to Randy for the work.  Thought the group might be interested in this.
Do not know who owns the design.

--------------------------------------
Date: 11/30/93 14:12
From: Randy

 BSA Receiver      some math required to set band

Note..     |      is gnd foil/ wire on board/chassie
          ###

          -+--    is wire/foil connected
           |

           o---  is terminal of your choice

         uuuu    is a coil

IC pin No. are TOP view....notch is between pin 1 and 8 , dot is by pin 1

  Ant o----)(------uu---------+
        .01   +-uuuuuuuu-+T1  |
              |          |   ###        +---+-----o +5 - 6.5 vdc
  Gnd o-+     +-)(-+-)(--+              |  _|_ .01
        |     | C1 | C2  |    NE602AN   |  ___  uf
       ###    |   ###    |              |   |
              |          +----1     8---+  ###  .01  x  y  T2
              +---------------2     7-----------)(----uu------+  (all gnd)
                   +----------3     6---)(---------+-uuuuuu---+--+
                   |        +-4     5-+  47pf      |             |
                  ###       |         |            +---)(--------+
                            +-)(-+-)(-+            |     C3      |
                     .001uf |    |    |.001uf      |     /      ###
                            |   ###   |            +---)(-----+
                           _|_       _|_              /  C4   |
                           ___ .1uf  ___                     ###
                            |  each   |         TUNING  FREQUENCY
                            <         <
                            >         >
                            >  4700   >
    .01uf                   |  ohms   |
 +--)(----+-----------------+ each    |    .01uf
 |        |  +------------------------+--)(---+
###       |  |  .01uf 10uf +                  |
          |  |  +-)(-+---)(---+              ###
          |  |  |    |        | LM386n
          |  | ###   +-1    8-+        + 50uf
          |  +---------2    7-----------)(-----------+
          +------------3    6---------+---o+5 - 6.5  |
                     +-4    5-+       |     vdc     ###
                     |        |      _|_+
               .1uf  +-)(-\/\/+      ___ 220uf
                     |    10  |       |
                    ### ohms _|_+    ###
                             ___ 100uf
                              |
                     o--/\/\/-+
    any speaker/phone       10ohms
                     o-----------+
                                 |
                                ###

Caps: C1 = C2 = (25330/ ( F*F* 12.5)) *2
                                            F= middle of band, mhz
                                    ok to round off to nearest stnd value
      C3 = 25330/(F*F* 12.5)            answer will be uuf  ( pf )

      C4 = small tune cap...10-15uuf at full mesh *

Example   6 mhz  band   C1 C2 = 100 or 120 pf
                         C3   = 56pf            disc ceramic , NPO for C3

T1  and T2 =  Digikey TK2431  12.5 uh used as shown ( top view)

Caps... 25v or more--- .001, .01 = disc ceramic, .1uf ok if 'any'
Resistors 1/8 watt or more

* Fair Radio Sales   Antique Electronic  Supply   ( I have no RECENT catalog)

Ok to omit tuning and use a 30pf or less, TRIM cap ( digikey ) and user
has a screw-driver to tune with
I used a homemade one with brass screw and copper pipe ( nitemare )


Power supply:  5   6.5  vdc ONLY! ( NE 602 can only take that!)

Use 4 alkylines or 4 or 5 Nicads ( 5 - 6.25vdc result) or 3 gel-cells
(Gel cells:  6.0v = discharged  6.6v = charged)
Each gel cell is 2.0-2.2vdc, so 3 cells = 6v...  some come already as 3 cells.

For young starters, I recommend alkyline AA cells


 Ckt board...I have no stencils...I did mine free hand, and it came out
rather large ( easy to get at parts...my aim)
 IC's plugged into 8 pin dip sockets... but any brave someone could try
solder direct!


Tune up:

Preset C3 to middle of rotation, and using a tooth-pick ( NEVER use metal)
adjust T2 to hear any kind of signal/whistle.

NOTE...if all adj gives no result, reverse connections   x   y   above
to get oscillator in phase... some coils are reversed, x y  wise

Now adj T1 to improve the loudness...while keeping on freq with C3

If you find you are not near desired stations, then re-do T2 a bit at a time
until yoiu find station-group wanted.

This rig has no vol control ( objective is to not cost a lot), so some
stations may bomb in...that'll impress the listener!
--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 08:18:47 -0500
From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN1G on other bands.

Anybody out there make an NN1G work on another band?

I'm going to etch another set of nn1g MK-II boards soon so that I can
start experimenting with that idea.

Is there much activity on 17 meters?

73 All, WB8YGG

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 09:10:09 1993
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 08:22:13 -0500
From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN!G Mark II authorization from Dave Benson

Hey anybody out ther know Dave Benson personally?

As I said before, I got the artwork for the NN1G Mark II, because K2DB
talked to him on the air, and asked if we could get the artwork to build a
few.

I have scanned the artwork, and a friend Dave, N2PSH is converting to
postscript format now.  (mirror imaging too).

We could put this on think.com under qrp artwork if we had Dave's ok,
then we could all have access to the artwork, and make nn1g's at will.

73 all, and if nobody can get ahold of Dave, I guess I'll write him a letter.

Brad WB8YGG

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 10:01:19 1993
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 09:56:29 EST
Original-From: aluxs!alsun150!jvm (Jim Morgan)
Message-Id: <9312011456.AA09767@alsun150>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: K9AY Receiver
Cc: [e-mail], alsun150![e-mail]


> From att!Think.COM!qrp-request Tue Nov 30 16:57:59 1993
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 16:37:09 EST
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: K9AY Receiver
> Content-Length: 214
>
> I dont have the article in front of me and don't know where it is. My question
> is: Did the receiver that he designed and appeared in QST have a NE602 IC
> in it? How well did that receiver actually work?
>
>     Doug N4IJ
>

Hi Doug,

Gary Breed K9AY had two receiver articles in recent issues of QST.

"A New Breed of Receiver" (Jan '88 pages 16-23) describes an SSB
phasing receiver.  It uses Mini-circuits SBL-1 mixers and some high-
frequency/low-noise op-amps (I think) eg NE5534, NE5205, TL081.
Favorable comments & suggested mods by Bob Zavrel appeared in
September '88 QST (probably the Tech. Correspondence column).
No NE602s.

"A Portable QRP CW Transceiver" (part 1-Receiver: Dec. '90,
pp. 44-47; part 2- Transmitter:  Jan. '91, pp. 17-23) used
MC3362/LM324/MC3340/LM386 in the receiver, and NE602/LM6321
+ discrete transistors in the transmitter.

Hope this helps !

73,

Jim Morgan WX4D/3  [e-mail]
AT&T - Allentown, PA

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 14:25:19 1993
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          Dec 1993 13:24:37 CST
          13:23:20 GMT-5
From: "Kevin Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Organization:  Augustana College - Rock Island IL
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 13:22:56 GMT-500
Subject: QRP:  qrp/qro debate -- the other side?
Priority: normal
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Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

Hey, there is a set of letters in the latest (December) QST
that go back and forth on the qrp/qro issue.  One caught my
eye (it might have been the last one), written from a QRO,
that basically stated:

is it fair to them (the QRO) to expect them to deal with our
weak signal?  Especially when the QRO gives the CQ?

Obviously he/she doesn't have to talk with us and could just
CQ again, hoping for a louder reply.

Many times we (the QRP) say "if I can hear I can work them"
in championing our qrp units.  True, as long as the other
end is willing to deal with us.  Apparently most are if
we've developed this statement.

I'd be curious as to what the lower threshold of signal
strength the average QRO expects nowadays.  Is it 599 as
he/she is? Or are most people good and interested in the
contact even if they have to work at hearing you?

You guys have more experience than I do on this.  Any ideas?
(I realize I am asking the converted, but nonetheless....)

73 de Kevin, KB9IUA
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Kevin L. Anderson,     Geography Dept.,     Augustana College
Rock Island, Illinois   61201   USA     phone: [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]  or [e-mail]
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 14:33:25 1993
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 14:33:27 EST
From: [e-mail] (M. Squicciarini)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: QPR Sprint this weekend??


    Someone mentioned that there is a QRP sprint this weekend??
    Dec 5 for two hours.  Does anyone have any details ie time
    exchange scoring?

    73 -- marty -- nr3z         [e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 14:52:20 1993
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    (16.6/16.2) id AA10863; Wed, 1 Dec 93 14:52:29 -0500
From: Tom_Jennings <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: QRP:  qrp/qro debate -- the other side?
To: [e-mail] (Kevin Anderson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 14:52:28 EST
Cc: [e-mail] (qrp mailling list)
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from "Kevin Anderson" at Dec 1, 93 1:22 pm
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]

> I'd be curious as to what the lower threshold of signal
> strength the average QRO expects nowadays.  Is it 599 as
> he/she is? Or are most people good and interested in the
> contact even if they have to work at hearing you?
>
> You guys have more experience than I do on this.  Any ideas?
> (I realize I am asking the converted, but nonetheless....)
>
> 73 de Kevin, KB9IUA
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Kevin L. Anderson,     Geography Dept.,     Augustana College
> Rock Island, Illinois   61201   USA     phone: [phone]
> e-mail: [e-mail]  or [e-mail]
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>

Frankly, I don't care how strong the signal is! If some one calls
me I will answer and try my best to have a qso.  I feel I accomplished
some thing if I have a successful qso with some one with a weak
signal and at the same time that person feels good that some one
made an effort to talk to him.

TJ, kv2x

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From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 15:08:57 1993
From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
Date: 1 Dec 93 19:47:06 GMT
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      id AA1659; Wed, 01 Dec 93 14:48:11 -0500
Subject: Inexpensive Homebrew QRP Wattmeters
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[ Note: This is my second attempt at sending this.  Apologies for duplicates. ]

I'm looking to build a simple QRP wattmeter.

I don't need something that is accurate to three decimal places; just a small
box that would indicate if the RF output power was above some threshold.  I
was originally thinking of getting some of those precision light bulbs from
Radio Shack and using them in a box with a couple of switches.  The
procedure would go something like: key down, switch to bulb #1, if bulb #1
lights up, your output is at least 0.25 watts, switch to bulb #2, if bulb #2
lights up then you have at least .5 watts, etc.  When a bulb doesn't light up,
you would know you are below that threshold, and above the previous threshold.

Like I said, I don't need a high degree of accuracy, just a rought idea of the
output power. I'd like to have certain threshold that I can determine if
the output is at or above.  I'm thinking about .25w/.5w/1w/3w/5w, but I actual
values would depend upon the bulbs themselves.  I'm not too certain that this
whole bulb idea will work either.  (I don't think the bulbs will look like 50
ohms to the transmitter, but does that matter for the accuracy of this project?)

I'd like to hear comments from the group on any homebrew wattmeters that you
use. It should be simple, easy to build, and shouldn't require any fancy
equipment to get it calibrated.  (Cheap is also a good characteristic :-)) )

Ideas?  I'm listening.

Douglas Quagliana KA2UPW
[e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 16:37:23 1993
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    id AA05729; Wed, 1 Dec 93 14:37:12 MST
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 14:37:12 MST
From: Doug Datwyler <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <9312012137.AA05729@moons>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: frequency counters

Anyone know of a good chip, besides the Intersil (now Harris), for
frequency counters. I find the chip listed at Digikey, JDR, an
Mouser. Anyone have a preference for service/value. I don't find the
chip listed in the Harris product selector. Is it obsolete?
And, yes, I will be using it as part of a QRP project or to test
radio equipment (so no one blows a gasket if slightly off subject).

Doug Datwyler WR7O
[e-mail]

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 17:27:01 1993
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    id AA14616; Thu, 2 Dec 93 09:16:18 EST
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 09:16:18 EST
From: [e-mail] (Richard Urmonas)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: QRP: Low cost wattmeter

The easiest way to make a wattmeter is to add a diode detector across a
dummy load.

If you make your own dummy load use carbon compositon resistors if possible
(not carbon film which are the common "carbon resistors").  Design for
a power dissipation at least twice your expected max power (the resistors
get very hot if run at full power rating).

The diode detector should be in the same case if you homebrew.  Use a general
purpose diode for QRP (1N914, 1N4148 etc.) anode to the input.  A capacitor
should be connected between the cathode and ground (100n parallel with 10n
is good for HF.  Use ceramic caps).

By measuring the voltage across the capacitor with a HIGH impedance voltmeter
the output power can be calculated from the voltage which is the PEAK voltage


don't forget to allow for the diode voltage drop at low power (at higher power
the error becomes small (0.4 dB at 2W).

73  Richard Urmonas  VK3DRU

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 17:41:04 1993
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 12:40:58 HST
From: Jeff Herman <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: QRP watt meter
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

The lightbulb watt meter is something I've been pondering also. If you
do use that make sure you reverse the sequence: start with the highest
wattage bulb, then move down. Otherwise you'll be replacing the burned
out low wattage bulbs quite often!

Jeff NH6IL

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 18:00:28 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: Re: FWD>BSA Receiver
To: [e-mail] (Bob Scott)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 17:55:33 -0500 (EST)
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Design is based heavily on QST's article about the W1AW rx using a crystal
of 3580kc  and some op-amp chip...

I could not get the op amp, so I used 386, run wide open and used T2 in
place of the xtal, so to let me get VFO-ability...

I >think< Ramsey uses a very similar design for their Rx set...but
they had 3 coils.....( extra one in front of my T1 )

I don't claim ownership....only that 'this is what I built, and survived
doing it' .


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 18:29:59 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: Re: QRP:  qrp/qro debate -- the other side?
To: [e-mail] (Kevin Anderson)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 18:25:44 -0500 (EST)
Cc: [e-mail]
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I don't operate QRP full time..as I qso a couple of guys, regularly and QRP
puts us just too low to have a QSO....we 'd miss too much, and when giving
ckt info or parts No.s ..... a full copy is needed.

When I do run QRP, its just to see if I can reach some one....not to try for a
lot of contacts / go for an award....( as I am a tinkerer more than anything
else)... so my way of feeling about it may not apply.

If a QRO'er hears me, he hears me....if he don't , he don't. I try elsewhere.

I use the 'stalk n wait' method....( sit on a qso and catch the guy after
qso is done)....which also lets me collect info on the guy so he only has to
send the basic RST report-form letter, and I can concentrate on sending
clearly to him, just the important stuff...find what he missed and resend
what he missed till he gets it.
( IE send 1 item at a time;   name name name  ok? K   qth qth qth  ok? K
ur rst ### ### ###  ok? K   qrp qrp qrp  35mw 35mw 35mw  ok? K  etc)

Possibly, by sending in such a manner to make their job easier, will cool
them down about qrping...gotta send so they can read it!

Sence I run 'QRO'  ( 25 watts ) too, when I am finishing a regular qso,
I keep my ears open for a possible qrper...as already, sence I began
Ham radio, I've been caught by too many of em to count....and who knows
how many I 'ignored' when I first began Ham radioing!

I also EXPECT that they may have a rig that can't send ON my freq...my be
as much off as 500cps....so I quick switch to wide pass on the receiver
JUST in case....and have been caught several times like that!

---
6AG7 xmit...( aprox 1 watt max) is still under construction...is  a duplicate
of one I made 2 yrs ago... but this one will be on a hunk of plywood, WITH
its own power supply.          ----
I may try it also on 3700kc/3710kc, DUSK ... but was desined to do just 40mtrs
7110kc DAYtime.

--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 19:14:31 1993
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        (Soft-Switch Central V4L380P3); 01 Dec 1993 18:49:18 EST
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Date: 01 Dec 1993 18:49:18 EST
From: "JHeise" <[e-mail]>
Subject: QRP ARCI Sprint (CW)
To: [e-mail]
Comment: MEMO 1993/12/01 19:15


     Marty, and the group

     Yes, the there is the QRP ARCI Holiday Spirits Homebrew Sprint (CW)
     this weekend.  It is Dec 5th, Sunday, from 2000-2400Z.  This is
     similar to most ARCI contests.  Exchange: RST, State/Prov/Country,
     ARCI # or power out for non-members.  Operate 5 watts or less. Bonus
     points for homebrew, but not necessary to run homebrew to enter the
     contest.  Scoring same as usual 5 points members, 2 points
     non-members.  I am pretty sure it is listed in QST.  This is all I
     have with me, but I can publish the full details here from the ARCI
     QRP Quarterly tomorrow if anyone needs them.

     Jan - WA4VQD   [e-mail]



From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 19:32:20 1993
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    for [e-mail] id AA29114; Wed, 1 Dec 93 16:32:15 -0800
    for @sgi.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA17002; Wed, 1 Dec 93 18:32:11 -0600
    for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA29311; Wed, 1 Dec 93 18:32:11 -0600
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 18:32:11 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN1G Mark II Transceiver


Gang,

Good news.  Just got off the phone with Dave Benson, NN1G, designer
and whatever for the rig shown in Jan '93 issue of the QRP ARCI Quarterly.
This rig is the NN1G Mark I.

In the Jan issue of the QQ he is going to have the Mark II.  The article
should have the schematics, board layout, and parts listings for 80-20M.
So, if you haven't gotten in your application for membership for the
ARCI, you may not get one, unless I or someone else on this group makes
an effort to get it to you.  :-)

Dave has graciously released the whole kit and kaboodle (sp?) to the
public domain, thus the images, etc. may be posted to this group
and put in any and all ftp locations.  So fire away, those of you
who have the information.  I'll scan in the article as soon as it
comes out and put it on Think.COM (again gang, remember to thank
Bruce for the server).  How long have we been going now?  9 months
or so?  Time flies when you're having fun.

I am stalled on a bunch of my projects due to workload this past
few weeks.  The dam will open again next week, for those of you
who miss my prolific postings.  :-)

In the last issue of QRPp, there is a notice for a contest using
the NorCal 40 and WAS race.  I will not be in competetion for the
K5FO award.  :-)  I'd look kinda of silly giving that award to myself.
Not that I have that much of a chance of winning it.  :-)

Remember the Sprint Contest this weekend.  I'm at work on the way to
the ranch, and I'll get the rules and post them later tonite or early
tomorrow.

Also, the University starts in the morning.  Delayed a couple of
days, but darn worth the wait.  :-)

cu on 40  dit    dit

SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 19:50:47 1993
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    for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA29362; Wed, 1 Dec 93 18:50:38 -0600
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 18:50:38 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN1G Boards



ooops.  Forgot to mention.  The pair of boards that make up the
NN1G Mark II are available for FAR Circuits for  $9.00/pair and
$1.50 for postage.  This is (to me) a good deal, as I don't think
that you can make them at home for this much, considering the time
it takes to drill the holes, etc.  IMHO.

Again, I don't get anything from this deal, just a bystander.

dit   dit
SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Wed Dec  1 23:13:39 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Sargent N8OFS)
Subject: Re: QRP|Any more Ascii schematics for qrp rigs???
To: [e-mail] (Alan Paeth)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 23:07:56 -0500 (EST)
Cc: [e-mail] (QRP)
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> From wariat!okanagan.bc.ca!awpaeth Wed Dec  1 17:25:54 1993
> Return-Path: <wariat!okanagan.bc.ca!awpaeth>
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> From: [e-mail] (Alan Paeth)
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> Content-Type: text
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> Andrew, is there an FTP server where I can get more of these goodies?
>
>   /Alan Paeth
>   KD3XG/VE7OKA
>
Beat's the #$%& out of me...  What _is_ ftp???

--
Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM    =       N8OFS
Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

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Subject: Re: QRP|Any more Ascii schematics for qrp rigs???
To: [e-mail] (Jeff Herman)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 23:29:47 -0500 (EST)
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> From wariat!uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!jherman Wed Dec  1 12:03:47 1993
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> From: Jeff Herman <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: QRP|Any more Ascii schematics for qrp rigs???
> In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 30 Nov 1993 23:34:14 -0500 (EST)
> Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
> Content-Type: text
>
> I'll get some more of those QRP projects typed up - I promise!!
>
> Jeff NH6IL
>
Cool deal...  No rush dude, us No-Codes had to wait for _years_, we
can wait.  We've learned patience because of the Upper-Class
Communists in the area who believe "those damn No-Codes should _only_
be seen at Hamfests and _never_ heard on the air.  These lid's,
kids, and space caddets _will_ learn to obey us."

No offense to most Extra's, Advanced, and Generals;  Just to those
who oppress!!!

Even though the No-Codes could not opperate _most_ of the rigs in your
previous posts, we _did_ build them and had our Non-Communist Elmers
opperate them for us...

All the qrp rigs I have recieved have been sent to most of the local
club's newsletter-editors, _some_ of them are being reprinted...

My goal is to build one of each qrp rig I recieve;  later, I may go
into mass production (with some _minor_ modifications, of course).

--
Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM    =       N8OFS
Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 01:22:14 1993
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Subject: QRP ARCI SPRINT (CW)

Does homebrew mean scratch built or just home soldered?
73, Geoff WA1U

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 03:45:36 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Randy)
Subject: story
To: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 03:41:16 -0500 (EST)
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           QRP is not dead, it just doesn't make as much noise.

 I'm not a full time QRPer, but I've been called and QSO'ed by em and have
run QRP myself, and YES...it is fun!

 Having done it quite a few times, right on down to 35 milliwatts, it
started to get to where I said 'now what?'

 I enjoy building the  sets, and I'm into tubes, so most what I have
made in the 4 years sence I've been liecenced, has involved tubes.

 Sence, too, I am not afraid of CW ( its CW that drew me to Ham radio, but
don't tell the anti-code guys that!), all my rigs were CW jobs, and ran
off a crystal....well, one had a VFO, and made great morning dove sounds...

 This past summer, I put together a triode tube oscillator-output set,
using a single #26, 4 prong tube....built as near as I could do it, to be
how they did it back in the 20's ( but , I used a crystal rather than a
wild oscillator, tuned more by the swaying antenna than the operator!)

 I lit it up, and it worked, until the filament resistor burned out.
I contacted a couple guys on it who had no idea what a tube was, so, I
said it was a qrp, home made set... and let it go at that...poor guys,
not knowing what tubes were.....

 Then, it occurred to me that I never heard this thing at a distance..
So, I gave the set to N1KGY who is a new ham but is deep into home making
too  and was tickled pink to lite up a tube older than he was.

 Temporarily, having lost the filament resistor, we had to sub a 811A
which let us use 6 volts for the filament, and with 110vdc, it put out
about the same as the #26 would.

 A quick test from his site with it proved, that 1/3 watt would do it...
so we aimed towards a nite to use the #26 ( 1/4 watt)  once he got the
filament resistor....to drop 6 vdc to 1.5 vdc.

 80 meters is a mad house between dusk and midnite, so we'd try to get on
before nite fall...ie...AT the start of dusk...when probagation would be
'good enough', altho low.
That was the plan.

 Each nite, with the sked only of 3700kc, and sometime between late
afternoon and past-dusk, I'd sit there and monitor 3700kc for his call.
( We normally sit on a freq anyway , to call/qso when air permits, so
this was no major change from our usual radioing... except for the signal
levels involved , and no warning he'd be on.)
 I'd hear other stations out there, but...nope..that one is an 8 call...
and he's calling his ladyfriend again... to drive her crazy with his
electronic keyer...
 ... nope... thats just someone trying to find where the plate tune knob
is on their rig.... ( hurry up! dip the plate  before you have a
China syndrome on yer table there!)

 Then , one nite, when     I had given up on him , with now many stations
getting tuned up and 2 QSO's on either side, I heard...

KA--N-  K-1--W  K----- de N--G-  N1--Y  K    way out there and right
smack under some one tuning up...all the sig did was shift in loudness!

So, sence 'qrming' a tune-up is not possible, I zeroed in carfully to be the
same pitch as he was on the receiver, and verified I was dipped, while
he made his 2nd call to me...and the tuner upper was still finishing up...

-A1U--  KA--- [ my tune up]  KGY  K

I returned, with N1KGY de KA1UNW KN KN KN ( to make sure no one else
roared in to steal the qso, as has happened several times in the past.)

Upon, de-keying, the air was awfully free of noises...as if I had blown
away the ether and its signals.....only the normal popcorn noise of the
air was there....and....--1UNW KA1UNW de N1KGY N1KGY RRR  ON 26
O- -6  -il vol-- a-e -.5  1.-  K  (Yow..on the peak he hit S3!
 And, he got the resistor! That was the 26 he was on! fil volts at 1.5 !)

I almost forgot to reply...so I flobbed the start and sent Yukalese
language, and his RST...

#%$* glip glork..de KA1UNW. OK. UR RST 239 239 WID QRM BOTH SIDES K

My slobberly CW tripped him up and that blew it for us...

?? de N1KGY. WHA- -ID - - AY? -ID -O- MAK- OUT 1S- PAR-.K

So, I sent, ALL OK ALL OK GUD SIG GUD SIG OK?  KN

He knew that we can 'lose-it' and I'd short-cut to stuff like that
and had probably forgotton how tiny his sig was...

Having verfied it would work, and that a --what--60 year old tube? had
made that signal, using a design that was about as old, on a dangle-wire
antenna at his place ( 60 ft of wire tossed into a tree ), That was
enough to call it a success, and so I sent him XGUD XGUD XGUD- GET ON
BIG RIG ( his TR-3) K

Neither one of us wanted to mess up the tube or the crystal, for some future
use...who knows...some day some field day will have an ALL TUBE plus
  QRP TUBE  site!...Battery op should even be possible!

( JUST to do it...no other reason)

For regular use, I've a 6AG7 rig 1/8 completed, and will air that myself.


--
Randy KA1UNW              If you get a shock while
                         servicing  your  equipment,         "Works for me!"
randy@192.153.4.200             DON'T  JUMP!                     -Peter Keyes
                     You might break an expensive tube!

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 03:57:58 1993
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    id AA16094; Wed, 1 Dec 93 22:57:53 HST
    id AA02400; Wed, 1 Dec 93 22:57:52 HST
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 93 22:57:52 HST
From: Jeff Herman <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: QRP: homebrew
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

Well Geoff, to me homebrew means that I have to get all the parts myself
and make substitutions for those I can't find. The only thing I start
with the the circuit diagram (designed by someone else - I'm no EE!).
The best parts sources in the world are junked TV's and radios, which
can be found in your neighbor's trash cans.

Jeff NH6IL

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 09:15:17 1993
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    for [e-mail] id AA13829; Thu, 2 Dec 93 06:15:12 -0800
    for @sgi.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA17910; Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:15:05 -0600
    for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA00288; Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:15:04 -0600
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:15:04 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ftp


Andrew Sargent, N8OFS, asks the question, "What _is_ ftp???".
Hmmmm.  Must be from the MS-DOS world.  :-)  "ftp" stands for
file transfer protocol.  There is a system on the internet whereby
one can use a command, ftp, to get to another computer system on
the internet.  You can then login in as 'anonymous' and give your
email address as the password.  Then you can transfer files from
that system to yours.

WARNING: these transactions are monitored and there are legal and
moral issues that you should follow.

I see that Andrew doesn't mind who he offends as I find his signature
offensive.  Just a personal note.  I believe in freedom of speech, but
there are some things that others do find offensive.

back to your regularly scheduled programming.




SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 09:38:35 1993
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    id AA07371; Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:34:38 CST
    id AA12670; Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:44:43 CST
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:44:43 CST
From: [e-mail] (Brian Cieslak)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: re: QRP : Homebrew

Geoff,

I tend to agree with Jeff. Just soldering together kits is
borderline homebrewing. True home brewing is not only getting or
making the parts yourself but trying to mooch as many free samples
 from the vendors that you can.(right Jeff?)

I do have to admit though, it is nice to have someone chase down
all the parts for you and kit them up. That way I can start
building and not lose interest in the project while playing
expeditor.

Since the person who  provides the kit can buy quantity he can get
you cheaper prices and save some S/H charges. Of course a lot of
kit vendors (like Ramsey) realize the importance of chasing down
parts as part of the home
brew effort and leave one or two out of the kit so you have to
chase them down anyway.



73,
Brian - AE9K


From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 09:45:18 1993
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    id AA07377; Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:41:20 CST
    id AA12686; Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:51:25 CST
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:51:25 CST
From: [e-mail] (Brian Cieslak)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Randy`s story


Randy,

I remenber when I got into radio back in 71 there was a 73 issue
that had a whole bunch of tube type qrp rigs in it....Did you ever
 see it?

I would like to find a copy of that issue. If anybody out there
has a copy I would like to make some xeroxes of some of the
articles.

73,
Brian - AE9K

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 09:47:25 1993
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    id AA27262; Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:45:53 CST
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:45:53 CST
From: [e-mail] (Michael S. Dooley)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: ftp

>Chuck Adams writes:<
>WARNING: these transactions are monitored and there are legal and
>moral issues that you should follow.
>
>I see that Andrew doesn't mind who he offends as I find his signature
>offensive.  Just a personal note.  I believe in freedom of speech, but
>there are some things that others do find offensive.

I agree... not to cause a flame war or anger Andrew, but I find the
sig line offensive, too.

Mike Dooley KE4PC
[e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 10:20:26 1993
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 10:25:06 EST
From: [e-mail] (Bob Applegate)
        id AA25578 for [e-mail]; Thu, 2 Dec 93 10:25:06 EST
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: QRP:  qrp/qro debate -- the other side?

I agree with KV2X... pulling a weak signal out of the noise and having a QSO
is far more satisfying that simply trying to find "40 over" signals.  It makes
me think about how to get the best copy ("should I try the narrower filter?
What about the notch filter?"), which helps me learn how to use my station
better.  Don't we all want to use our station to its fullest?  I guess some
of the QRO ops don't.

As I read the letters in QST, it was hard to image the attitude of the fellow
who complained about QRP ops.  What he said may be valid, but the way he stated
his case left something to be desired.  And yes, if he had a hard time copying
someone, he had every right to say so (who knows... maybe the QRP op had a
KW amp sitting next to him that he could have turned on if only he knew!).

73
Bob, wa2zzx

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 10:31:41 1993
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    id AA00812; Thu, 2 Dec 93 10:31:31 EST
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    (16.6/16.2) id AA12000; Thu, 2 Dec 93 10:31:43 -0500
From: Tom_Jennings <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: qrp tube rigs
To: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 10:31:42 EST
Cc: [e-mail]
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]

Hi all,

Speaking about tube qrp rigs, I remember back in the late 60's
there were a bunch of fellows in Chicago who had mobile 160 meter
rigs.  These rigs were 5 watts AM transmiters using 6aq5 tubes.
They also tuned thier AM radios to 160 meters.  I used to listen
to them with my HQ110 before going to school.

I had the schematic but it may be lost by now, sigh!


TJ, kv2x

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From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 11:03:32 1993
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:01:37 -0500
From: [e-mail] (CONTRACTOR Larry Keith;653 CCSG/SCT)
Subject: Re: re: QRP : Homebrew
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
X-Orig-Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:44:43 CST
X-Orig-From: [e-mail] (Brian Cieslak)
X-Orig-Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

In your message of  2 Dec 1993 at 1058 EST, you write:
> you cheaper prices and save some S/H charges. Of course a lot of
> kit vendors (like Ramsey) realize the importance of chasing down
> parts as part of the home
> brew effort and leave one or two out of the kit so you have to
> chase them down anyway.
>
>
Good help is hard to find! 8-D

Larry, KQ4BY..

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 11:30:38 1993
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 10:29:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Peter Hardie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: QRP ARCI SPRINT (CW)
To: [e-mail]
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ARCI has a definition of what constitutes a homebrew rig for the purposes
of their homebrew sprints. I can't find the definition here but, off the
top of my head, it specifically excludes kits, such as Heathkit, which
have detailed instructions as to how to build the kit. But the rules do
allow a Heathkit if it has been substantially modified by the contest op
(e.g. adding AGC would be OK but replacing one of the switches wouldn't
count :-). If I find the definition I'll put it on here if someone else
doesn't beat me to it.
Pete "1. Plug in soldering iron" Hardie
[e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 11:47:29 1993
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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 11:41:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Daniel J. Curtin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE:QRP : Homebrew
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Dear QRPers,

        For most of us the best way to work is to go from what we know to what
we don't. Kits are a great place to start. They go together quickly, they work
(usually), and a little staring at the schematic is educational. Then we build
by gathering parts and following someone's published design. Then we take ideas
from one project and try to incorporate them in another. This is the stage at
which much smoke is generated (in the projects and in our ears.) Then we design
some new circuits no-one has ever tried before and become famous!

        Needless to say I am floundering around in the first several stages,
and having a great time.

        Let's accept kits as homebrewed. It will encourage kit companies, who
then will have parts for us, and will help lure newcomers into the joys (!?) of
building.

        As an aside, beer homebrewers do accept kit brews in their
competitions, while the real fanatics sprout their own barley and grow their
own hops.

73,
Dan, KF4AV

Daniel J. Curtin
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Northern Kentucky University
Highland Heights, KY 41099-1700

[e-mail]
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From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 11:51:29 1993
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    id AA25480; Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:51:21 -0500
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:51:21 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Duane P Mantick)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: QRP:  qrp/qro debate -- the other side?

Said Bob -

"I agree with KV2X... pulling a weak signal out of the noise and having a QSO
is far more satisfying that simply trying to find "40 over" signals."


I would have to agree and even go a step farther than that.  It illustrates
the difference between a REAL ham and one who simply BUYS his QSOs by
spending money on watts and gets too lazy to make an *effort* to copy
anything that isn't "armchair solid".

To such folks I would have to say (once again) if you want armchair
copy, pick up the phone and leave radio to those of us who are willing to
work at it.......

Hey, armchair copy is great when you have it, but if you get to the point
where you refuse to work anything else you have ceased to be a ham, IMHO.

Duane
WB9OMC

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 12:18:07 1993
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    id AA07449; Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:14:10 CST
    id AA13026; Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:24:15 CST
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:24:15 CST
From: [e-mail] (Brian Cieslak)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: QRP HOMEBREW

I guess I'll concede to Dan Curtin's opinion of Homebrew...I still
 have fond memories of trying to get a receiver kit to work. It
probably took as much electronics theory and technique to realize
that the coils I wound were wrong as it would have to design them
right in the first place. Maybe I would have been more conscious of what I was doing if I had gone through the pain of calculating the
 number of windings and core types instead of just glancing at the
instructions. All in all it was a learning experience too.

I confess...I started with a Heathkit. (?!) +

73,
Brian - AE9K

PS How much beer can you brew at home before the ATF tracks you
down?


From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 13:07:49 1993
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    (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA13694; Thu, 2 Dec 93 13:07:13 -0500
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
    (queueing-rmail) id 130554.28208; Thu, 2 Dec 1993 13:05:54 EST
    id AA16926; Thu, 2 Dec 93 12:49:32 EST
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 12:49:32 EST
From: [e-mail] (Dan P. Trainor)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: QRP HOMEBREW


> PS How much beer can you brew at home before the ATF tracks you
> down?

Speaking of beer, has anyone thought of building a QRP rig inside a
beer can?

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 13:13:57 1993
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Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Date: 2 Dec 1993 13:12:37 -0800
From: "Bob Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE-QRP - Homebrew
To: "Daniel J. Curtin" <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]

        Reply to:   RE>RE:QRP : Homebrew
For what it is worth, I agree with Daniel.  I am not really into
contests (I guess I will have to try one sometime), but building
a kit is a far cry from buying a ricebox off the shelf.  I guess if
someone wanted to get picky I guess you could have 2 homebrew
catagories, kit and scratch, but you could continue to subdivide
ad nausium.

73
Bob
AC4QO



From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 13:33:46 1993
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    id AA17617 for [e-mail]; Thu, 2 Dec 93 13:33:33 -0500
    id AA403764 ; Thu, 02 Dec 93 13:11:15 EST
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 93 18:11:47 GMT
Message-Id: <23198@jek>
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kearman)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: G4BUE During Wintersports

>From [e-mail] Thu Dec 02 13:56:09 1993
    id AA23152 ; Thu, 02 Dec 93 13:56:08 GMT
>From [e-mail]. Thu Dec 02 08:46:40 1993
    id AA03002 for poparrl; Thu, 2 Dec 93 08:08:58 -0500
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 07:57 EST
Original-From: mvubr!mvjf (James M Fitton [phone])
To: [e-mail]
Subject: GB0QRP


Jim - Will you post this in internet ?

I talked with G4BUE last night on my new 2 watt NorCal-40 HB rig,
and he said to tell everyone to look for him this winter during
EU.  QRP Wintersports.
He will use special event callsign GB0QRP again.

See how many bands you can work him.

In past years, W3TS and AA2U worked Chris on 8 bands (80m - 10m)
I have only worked him on 7 bands because my 1 antenna does not
play that well on 80m.

Chris writes the "Members News" column for Sprat, the journal for
the G-QRP club.   He will be joining the gang at Dayton again in
94.  Chris said he has retired from the police force, and started
a printing business out of his home.

FYI
If anyone wants a room with the QRP gang at Dayton, better speak
up now.  Last year QRPers had over 50 rooms rented at the hotel.
Contact Myron Koyle, N8DHT..... New Treasurer for ARCI.



  73/72   Jim Fitton, W1FMR   QRP-NE   [e-mail]




From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 13:53:23 1993
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Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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    id AA17761; Thu, 2 Dec 93 13:40:09 EST
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 13:40:09 EST
From: [e-mail] (Dan P. Trainor)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: QRP HOMEBREW


> Speaking of beer, has anyone thought of building a QRP rig inside a
> beer can?

Gives the word "HomeBrew" a whole new meaning.  Sorry...

Dan KB1JX

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 14:03:56 1993
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:08:15 PST
From: Spence S Wilhelm <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: QRP Hotel QSOs


Text item: Text_1

Gang,

I travel a lot in my job so have been quite active in
working QRP from Hotel rooms.  I use an MFJ 9040
transceiver, a home-brew antenna tuner, and a gel cell.
This combination works well and has been quite reliable.  I
built the tuner from a schematic for a QRP 40 meter antenna
tuner in "Solid State Design" by Hayward and Demaw.  I've
tried slinky verticals, dipoles in the room, and random
wires hanging out the window.  The latter seems to give the
best performance.

Early this week I experienced something odd, maybe some of
you can help.  Monday night I set up the rig and tuned the
antenna, I threw a wire out the window with an equal length
counterpoise on the floor in the room.  The band was not
great but I was able to work NV from my room in San Jose,
CA.  The problem came on the second night, I set the rig up
and started the tuning process.  I found that the SWR would
change just by touching or placing my hand near the metal
part of the key or chassis of the radio.  The first night I
had no such problems, the setup both nights was the same.
Does anyone have any ideas?


         -------       RG58 Coax   --------
        | 9040  |=================|tuner/  |
        | xcvr  |                 |SWR mtr |
         -------                   --------
           |                        |   |-----------------
           |                        |          <33' wire out
           |      ------------------                window
          Key      <33' wire for
                        counterpoise
                        in hotel room


73,

de kb7tcy, Spence


[e-mail]

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 14:09:48 1993
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 14:09:48 EST
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Subject: nn1g.eps file

   Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 13:22:09 -0500
   From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>

   Bruce, I put the nn1g mark II artwork in the directory
   pub/radio/ham/qrp/artwork if you could enable it for reading that would be
   great.

   It's the postscript printable mirror image of the n1g Mark II artwork.
   thanks... Brad WB8YGG

The file is now readable.  If there are any problems accessing it, send me
mail.

Ed

Sorry if this is a repeat, even our mailer complains at times...

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 14:25:01 1993
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 14:23:50 -0500
From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: nn1g Mark II artwork

Well, the first real useful artwork is now on think.com

It's in postscript format as everybody seems to want.

it's under the directory /pub/radio/ham/qrp/artwork

the name of the file is nn1g.eps

This file contains both the receiver and transmitter board , mirror imaged
so that you can down load this file , print it on a laser printer, then
iron it onto copper etc. following the July 1993 QST article method.

Please acknowledge the following:

NN1G, Dave Benson,  for all his efforts in designing and debugging, and making
 this available for us to build.

N2PSH Dave Mensing, for taking the two tiff files that were scanned, and
 combining them and mirror imaging them, then converting to postscript format.

K5FO Chuck, for calling up NN1G to make sure it's ok to do all this.

Over and out..
Brad WB8YGG

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 14:42:23 1993
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From: Jeff Herman <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: QRP: Tubes
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

Gang,
   With all this talk of tubes I'll dig through both my projects
books (from the mid 60's) and post some of the QRP tube xmtr circuits.
Projects 1-10 were all transistors jobs because I didn't think anyone
would be interested in tube xmtrs.

Jeff NH6IL (back in the days when we only had tubes: WA6QIJ)

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 15:54:03 1993
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 Hi,
  Thanks to Chuck Adams for the address to Radio Adventures.
  Chuck posted this info before I "found" my QST issue.

 And a big thanks to the QRP folks out there. Your mailings are
informative and entertaining :^)

Keep the good times rolling!
John N3PFF

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 16:07:59 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Applegate)
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Subject: File formats

Some of us would prefer the TIF format files... are those available anyplace?

Bob

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 16:33:26 1993
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Subject: File formats

   Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 16:12:35 EST
   From: [e-mail] (Bob Applegate)

   Some of us would prefer the TIF format files... are those available anyplace?

   Bob

I don't know of a utility to convert .eps files to tiff.  If you can point
me in the proper direction, I'll see what I can do here.

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 17:33:55 1993
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 16:33:28 CST
From: [e-mail] (David Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Ten Tec Kits.

Did anybody notice the add for Ten Tec Kits in QST?

It says,

    "KITS ARE BACK!

    Introducing TT* Kits
    A new division of Ten-Tec
    Call 615-453-7172
    to request your
    kit catalog"

I just called and requested the catalog.  I was told it
would take 4 to 6 weeks.

That was fine with me.  I am still saving away, trying to
recover from the recent local hamfest.

So what I am dying to know is if I will be able to buy the
Ten Tec Scout 555 as a kit?  I wonder if I will be able to
get kits for some of the band modules?  I wonder if it will
be possible to hombrew band modules to cover other bands
or offer other features?  I wonder...

Has anybody seen the catalog?  Well, I'll tell ya more next month.

Also, does anybody know if the 291 Antenna Tuner for the Scout
is an automatic tuner?  I suppose not for $89.

Has anyone tried the 607 Weighted Key Paddle for the Scout?  Do
you like it?  Where does it plug in?

How does the power adjustment work on this radio?  Do you have
an option to bypass an amp stage or do you just atennuate some
of the final power?

What features does a fancy Radio, like the Icom 735 have that this
doesn't?

I know that several people have pointed out that by the time you
buy all the modules, (and the bracket, mike, etc. are all extra)
you are paying two or three hundred more (depending on the accessories)
and you could probably buy a nice used Icom 735 for that price.

I would note, that in a couple of years you can probably buy a nice
used Ten Tec Scout 555 for a little better than $495.  Also I might
expect the $495 to drop some over the next year or two.  And If I
can save some by building a kit, that would really be neat.  Of
course I am dreaming, and wildly speculating on that one.

Ya, know, I would like to homebrew some type of interface for a
computer, so that you could have the computer set the vfo frequency,
etc.  Then you could write a program to make the computer control
the radio.  "Virtual Radio."  Then the program could always add
all kinds of bells and whistle features, like all the memories you
could ever want.  Like scanning, like .... The computer could also
handle the TNC.  The computer can log the contacts.  The computer
can display the map of the world.  You can point and click on the
location of that DX contact and see the current time there.  Sunclock
on the Mac will do this and let you see where the gray line is at
any moment.

The ideal set up would be a notebook or powerbook computer controling a
small radio like this mobile, or even while backpacking.


BTW, Sourdough is good homebrew.


Sourdough and Ham  KG0IO

--David C. Adams        internet:  [e-mail]
  Statistician          uunet:     uunet!cray!dadams
  Cray Research Inc.    packet:       kg0io@tcman.#msp.mn.usa.noam

       Experience   -->  Identify   -->  Analyze  -->  Generalize

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 23:34:47 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Sargent N8OFS)
Subject: Re: repressed (was QRP|Any more Ascii schematics for qrp rigs? )
To: [e-mail] (Kevin Anderson)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 23:33:07 -0500 (EST)
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> From wariat!Augustana.edu!GGANDERSON Thu Dec  2 18:18:52 1993
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> From: "Kevin Anderson" <[e-mail]>
> Organization:  Augustana College - Rock Island IL
> To: [e-mail]
> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 07:55:37 GMT-500
> Subject: Re: repressed (was QRP|Any more Ascii schematics for qrp rigs? )
> Priority: normal
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>
> > Cool deal...  No rush dude, us No-Codes had to wait for _years_, we
> > can wait.  We've learned patience because of the Upper-Class
> > Communists in the area who believe "those damn No-Codes should _only_
> > be seen at Hamfests and _never_ heard on the air.  These lid's,
> > kids, and space caddets _will_ learn to obey us."
> >
> > No offense to most Extra's, Advanced, and Generals;  Just to those
> > who oppress!!!
>
> Don't worry.  Soon the No Codes will be the majority, if
> they aren't already, and shortly after will be in "charge"
> (whatever that means).
>
The funny thing is that the No-Codes don't _want_ to take over, we are
willing to experement with _anything_ we can get our paws on with respect
of the furterance of the hobby into the 90's and beoynd!!!  I'll probably
expound on this more in the near future...
>
> No flame intended, nor to fuel one (this is off the
> broadcast nets)
>
I wonder if it's a good idea to carry this thread on this mailing-list.
I don't want to be flamed, but I _will_ accept constructive criticizim.
>
> 73 de Kevin, KB9IUA (novice)
>
72 de N8OFS\AAN5HJT (No-Code, and _damn_ proud of it!)

--
Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM    =       N8OFS
Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

From [e-mail]  Thu Dec  2 23:41:58 1993
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Subject: Re: QRP HOMEBREW
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> From: ncoast!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!ri.cadre.com!dpt (Dan P. Trainor)
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> > Speaking of beer, has anyone thought of building a QRP rig inside a
> > beer can?
>
> Gives the word "HomeBrew" a whole new meaning.  Sorry...
>
> Dan KB1JX
>
Don't be sorry, it's a vallidly good idea, Hmmm...

--
Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM    =       N8OFS
Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 23:47:23 -0500 (EST)
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> >Chuck Adams writes:<
> >WARNING: these transactions are monitored and there are legal and
> >moral issues that you should follow.
> >
> >I see that Andrew doesn't mind who he offends as I find his signature
> >offensive.  Just a personal note.  I believe in freedom of speech, but
> >there are some things that others do find offensive.
>
> I agree... not to cause a flame war or anger Andrew, but I find the
> sig line offensive, too.
>
> Mike Dooley KE4PC
> [e-mail]
>
You can't anger or offend me, for I _am_ a No-Code which has been put-
down, trampled, and ignored in the name of the hobby.

I suppose it is, however, time to change my sig  (Where did I put my
Frontline Assembly CD???).

--
Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM    =       N8OFS
Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 02:29:55 1993
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 02:29:50 EST
From: Mark Shelhamer <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Varactor VFO???


For you more experienced homebrewers - can anyone tell me why varactor
diodes are not more widely used in QRP VFOs? It seems to me that their
much smaller size and mechanical stability, compared to air variable
caps, would make then ideal for QRP gear, especially backpackable gear.

There must be some deep dark secret about these that I don't know.
Or is it just a small capacitance range?

73
Mark WA3YNO

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 08:20:00 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Berlyn)
Subject: Inexpensive Homebrew QRP
Date: Fri,  3 Dec 1993 11:50:00 GMT
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

DQ>From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
DQ>Subject: Inexpensive Homebrew QRP Wattmeters
DQ>Date: 1 Dec 93 19:47:06 GMT
DQ>To: [e-mail]
DQ>Message-Id: <[e-mail]>


DQ>I'm looking to build a simple QRP wattmeter.


DQ>I'd like to hear comments from the group on any homebrew wattmeters that you
DQ>use. It should be simple, easy to build, and shouldn't require any fancy
DQ>equipment to get it calibrated.  (Cheap is also a good characteristic :-)) )

DQ>Ideas?  I'm listening.
DQ>Douglas Quagliana KA2UPW
-=--------------------------------------
Doug,
I built the  SIMPLE AND ACCURATE DIRECTIONAL WATTMETER from the 1993
Handbook. I found the project to be not very expensive, It is however
accurate and its a directional wattmeter. You really have to etch a PCB
for the project, but if your really aganst that I.m sure you could get
around it.

The circuit is small enough to be included into a transmitter project,
thats what I want to do eventually.I found the Wattmeter easy to build,
and I am new at Home brewing. The only problem I hade was winding the T2
and T3 toriods? with the proper phasing, but ater I figured that out it
worked great, and still does.


Bob Berlyn N1PWU               [e-mail]

 * SLMR 2.1a * --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E--

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 08:48:02 1993
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          Dec 1993 07:47:28 CST
          7:46:11 GMT-5
From: "Kevin Anderson" <[e-mail]>
Organization:  Augustana College - Rock Island IL
To: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 07:45:54 GMT-500
Subject: Re: open bottle (was QRP HOMEBREW)
Priority: normal
X-Mailer:     PMail v3.0 (R1a)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

> > > Speaking of beer, has anyone thought of building a QRP rig inside a
> > > beer can?
> >
> > Gives the word "HomeBrew" a whole new meaning.  Sorry...
> >
> > Dan KB1JX
> >
> Don't be sorry, it's a vallidly good idea, Hmmm...

Ah, but for you mobilers, beware of "open bottle" laws. :-)

kevin
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Kevin L. Anderson,     Geography Dept.,     Augustana College
Rock Island, Illinois   61201   USA     phone: [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]  or [e-mail]
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From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 09:04:01 1993
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:08:35 EST
From: [e-mail] (Bob Applegate)
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Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: SBL-1 availability

Someone out there must be buying SBL-1 mixers: where can I order them from?

Thanks,
Bob, wa2zzx

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 09:12:16 1993
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 08:12:05 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Our Friend


Our Friend N8OFS writes:

>You can't anger or offend me, for I _am_ a No-Code which has been put-
>down, trampled, and ignored in the name of the hobby.
>
>I suppose it is, however, time to change my sig  (Where did I put my
>Frontline Assembly CD???).
>
>--
>Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM =       N8OFS
>Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT

I was not trying to anger, offend, trample, ignore, or any other
way trying to attack you.  It's just that in this day and age,
there seem to be a lot of people that want to have things their
way.  Everybody wants a piece of the pie, but nobody wants to do
the work to make it.

I did not say anything about code.  I did not say anything about
ham radio.  I said that I was offended by your language in your
signature.  That was it.  In real life you can say whatever you
want, but remember that everything that you post to this group
is stored forever.  Is that the way you want to be remembered?
I wouldn't.

End of discussion.  EOT


SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 09:18:14 1993
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  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <[e-mail]>); Fri, 3 Dec 1993 09:17:15 -0500
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 09:17:15 -0500
From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN1G Up & Running

I'm forwarding a not from Paul, who apparantly is in internet Limbo right now.
73 Brad WB8YGG
-------------------------------------------------------------
-From: Paul Mackanos, Construction, 1/23/KP 24301, (x13966)
Subject: NN1G Up & Running

 Well, the debugging is done, and the 20 meter version of the NN1G Mark II
is up and running at K2DB. Had a few problems along the way, and all were
building related. Things to watch for 1) when you etch your own board (yes
there are those of us who would rather HOMEBREW from scratch than send our
hard earned money out) make sure it is completely etched. I thought mine
was, but I found 2 little fuzzies (shorts) on the rx board. Fixed them, and
the RX took right off. 2) Check each part VALUE carefully, my TX would not
oscillate, and I found that I had put in 470 pf caps in the oscillator
instead of 47 pf. Changing them, and off it went. This is a lesson to those
of you you have a surplus or electronics store in your area that has the parts
in cardboard boxes (don't trust what it says on the box, look and verify the
value).
 Having just gotten it up and going, and making 2 quick contacts with area
hams, I have two things I have to work on. 1) RX seems to have a little too
much background noise. (Changed the .033 cap to .047 and the .005 cap to .1
and most of the noise went away, but still too noisy & thnaks to Brad,
WB8YGG for that tip.) The RX does not offer full QSK it seems. When I
was operating it at above about 13 wpm, the RX seems to act SEMI-QSK, any
one got any suggestions to get it FULL QSK, what we gotta do, I haven't
looked at the schematic about that yet???
Thanks to Brad WB8YGG for the use of his time and equipment to help me
debug this NN1G Mark II, it is going to be a lot of fun running it.
 As for the LO & Xtals, I chose 10.240 Mhz and this puts the LO at 3760 to
come up with 14.000. The rig seems to track from 14.000 to 14.067 with
the standard values. I had to add 66pf to the LO coil to get it to come down
to that freq. It first oscillated at 3918, 33 pf brought it down to 3818 and
the next 33 pf (66 total in parallel) brought it right on at 3760. Brad,
WB8YGG will be changing his IF also, his 10.000MHZ xtals let WWV bleed thru
quite readily (even though it it not in a box yet) and mine does not. At
least Brad can keep up with the UTC time on a minute to minute basis. Any
furthur changes, and I will print here. If ya want, send me a note, and we can
talk direct here if you have any specific questions or comments.
72 de Paul K2DB


          Paul


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 09:31:42 1993
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    id AA08365; Fri, 3 Dec 93 08:30:08 CST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 08:30:08 CST
From: [e-mail] (Michael S. Dooley)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: No Code Folks

>
>> >Chuck Adams writes:<
>> >WARNING: these transactions are monitored and there are legal and
>> >moral issues that you should follow.
>> >
>> >I see that Andrew doesn't mind who he offends as I find his signature
>> >offensive.  Just a personal note.  I believe in freedom of speech, but
>> >there are some things that others do find offensive.
>>
>> I agree... not to cause a flame war or anger Andrew, but I find the
>> sig line offensive, too.
>>
>> Mike Dooley KE4PC
>> [e-mail]
>>

>Andrew N8OFS writes:<
>You can't anger or offend me, for I _am_ a No-Code which has been put-
>down, trampled, and ignored in the name of the hobby.
>

You know, I like the No Code folks.  Before they came along our club was
just languishing.  If you wanted to do something, it took an act of Congress.
A bunch of them yelled of doom and destruction when the No Codes came
along, but Guess What?!?  After the No Code, our membership grew!
We now have extended the tower of the club HF station, added a second tower
for 6, 2 and 432 SSB/FM/CW enthusiasts AND started getting some activity
on Packet.  We've got two new HF rigs, a new computer and I can't think
of what else.  Who pushed this?  The No Code folks!  They may not all
be interested in HF or code, but by golly they have the enthusiasm many
of the other members of our club had lost.  This is getting to be a fun
hobby again.!.

Oh yes!  many have upgraded and are into QRP and homebrew, too!  Yep, I like
those No Code folks!
Mike Dooley KE4PC
[e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 09:40:27 1993
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    (queueing-rmail) id 093811.26973; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 09:38:11 EST
    id AA27136; Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:08:24 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:08:24 EST
From: [e-mail] (Edward Pacyna)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], uunet!space.mit.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Varactor VFO???

>There must be some deep dark secret about these that I don't know.

There aren't deep dark secrets, but you need to be careful in their application.

First of all they have a very large negative temperature coefficient (typically
N350, that is -350 parts / million / degree C). However, there are some pretty
good temperature compensation techniques that can be applied to attain reason-
able stability.

Also their Q is somewhat limited compared to a air variable. Low noise VFO's
require high Q tuned circuits. Again careful application can minimize the
degradation.

One last factor is that the diode basis needs to be higher that the RF voltages
present in the circuit.

Casual application is usually a poor result. They are small, cheap, available
and can produce good results.

There have been a few good articles published in QST and Ham Radio magazine
over ther last 20 years. Motorola has some good application notes on their
application too.

73

Ed W1AAZ


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 10:00:37 1993
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    id AA27420; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 10:00:13 -0500
    id AA08088; Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:59:35 EST
    id AA03136; Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:59:30 EST
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
    id AA26817; Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:59:26 EST
To: Mark Shelhamer <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Varactor VFO???
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Dec 93 02:29:50 EST."
             <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 93 09:59:26 EST
From: "John F. Woods" <[e-mail]>

> For you more experienced homebrewers - can anyone tell me why varactor
> diodes are not more widely used in QRP VFOs? It seems to me that their
> much smaller size and mechanical stability, compared to air variable
> caps, would make then ideal for QRP gear, especially backpackable gear.

They suffer from two chief problems.  First, their minimum to maximum
ratio usually isn't very good; 3 to 1 is pretty typical for varactors,
though you can find them as high as 15 to 1 -- only in very high maximum
capacitance devices, however.  This makes it somewhat difficult to choose
circuit components around varactors, and exacerbates their other disadvantage:
temperature stability, or rather their glaring lack of it.  There are several
schemes for temperature compensating varactors, but they usually either are
just close enough to let a PLL take care of the rest with less effort, or
they involve lots of empirical component selection.

That said, there are some rigs that use varactors, and as long as you keep
the temperature constant, they do quite well.


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 10:04:40 1993
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    id AA09019; Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:00:42 CST
    id AA17819; Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:10:49 CST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:10:49 CST
From: [e-mail] (Brian Cieslak)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: No-Code issue

Hey guys......I'm sensing negative vibes again.....
let`s think pleaseant thoughts....QRP---DX----Homebrew Megarigs

"Can't we all just learn to get along"

Brian - AE9K


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 10:12:22 1993
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Date:     Fri, 3 Dec 1993 07:11:48 PST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: nn1g Mark II artwork in TIFF format
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Message-Id: <" 3-Dec-93 10:11:48 EST".*[e-mail]>

I noticed a few folks asking for the nn1g Mark II artwork
in TIFF format. Well, it's now available on think.com
in two files (nn1g-rx.tif, nn1g-tx.tif) in the directory
'/pub/radio/ham/qrp/artwork'.

Enjoy,
    Dave, N2PSH
    [e-mail]

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 10:34:44 1993
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1993 09:36:50 -0600 (CST)
From: "JEFF M. GOLD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: NorCal 40
To: [e-mail]
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Hi All,

finally got to operate my NorCal 40.

My evaluation:

The kit:
-------
*this is an evaluation comparing it to commercial kits.. so it is way
too picky for what it was designed for-

The artwork and instructions were good quality. The parts identification
could probably have been a little better for a beginner.. but still ok.
The schematic was first class as was the documentation, better than a
good deal of the commercial kits out there.

The packaging of the kit was excellent. The kit has a low parts count
and everythink is on one board. The PC board is clearly silk screened.
The parts on the board were not too densly packed and easy to place. The
board was good quality. One of my personal favorite parts of this
project was that most of the jacks and connectors were board mounted.
There also wasn't many jumpers needed. This board design took a great
deal of careful planning and came out on top of the heap in my opinion.
It is really nice to finish building the rig and not spend 2 days
running wires all from panel mounted controls and jacks to the board.
The finished project also looks a lot better.

The case is another TOP of the line item for this kit. It is GREAT. What
do I mean by GREAT-well first of all it looks and feels as if you can
through it out of a plane, pick it off the ground and continue a QSO
immediately without any repairs. It also looks very nice. In addition,
the case was also carefully designed so that if you want to remove the
top and tinker with the controls inside, it is very easy to do so. I
recently built the ARK40.. and loved it. Well I like to tinker with a
new built radio till it feels right. With the ARK 40 it is pretty much
of a major project to take the case apart and get to the bottom board.
The only other rig that I have seen that does this is the MFJ QRP rigs.
They also would make great kits and are very similar to the NorCal 40 in
one board all on the board no wires all over the place design.

I had a slight problem with the rig when I first built it. Turned out to
be a blown capacitor and 2 chokes that were not of specified values.
This is probably me and no one else had this problem as far as I know. I
seem to be cursed with this. I built the HW9.. and each soldering joint
was a work of art. Put it together and it didn't work. Has a bunch of
people try to locate the problem. Finally got some good help and my
friend traced the problem to the double balanced mixer. I was told by
Heath that these parts are NEVER bad and I must have done something
wrong building. Well my friend pulled a comprable part out of a homebrew
he had made. Stuck it in the HW9 and everything worked... Moral of the
story ... there are bad parts out there.. but don't worry the number is
so small that I am probably the only one that gets them HI HI.

The same guy who found the HW9 problem has been working on QRP designs
for a while. I gave him the NorCal 40 to play with.  The good news is
that he hasn't shut up about the design of the radio. He said he
couldn't see all that much to improve upon and loves it. He went into
detail about how he felt that in the design process the designer would
get to a particular part of the circuit and say.. "well how can I
redesign this part to use common parts and make it uncomplicated". The
bad news is that I think he has given up on his design.. said he
couldn't think of what he would do different.

I like the fact the radio has RIT, an on/off switch and is really small.
This is about perfect size for a portable rig. I was really impressed
with the receiver. Conard, WS4S had the rig to find the blown capacitor
and other problems while I was on vacation. He got it running just in
time for the CQ contest last weekend. He worked all over the world and
said the front end of the receiver really held its own.. he doesn't give
compliments easily. I really liked the keying, it seems to fit my style
of CW. The sidetone note on the rig wasn't really to my liking, but this
could have something to do with the way he set it up.. didn't have time
to tinker with it.

This kit is easily comparable and beats many of the kits in the
$120-$160 range.

Thanks guys ... boy did you do some job.

72

Jeff, AC4HF

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 10:39:57 1993
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 <[e-mail]>; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 09:41:56 CST
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1993 09:41:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "JEFF M. GOLD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: for sale
To: [e-mail]
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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OK,

my last attempt for a while:(trying to get money together for
mobile HF setup)

New 20 meter A&A engineering QRP transceiver:

Portable, Single-signal superhet receiver with narrow CW
crystal filter, VFO main and fine tuning, audio derived AGC
and two stages fo audio filtering for listening comfort, 5
watts output power, semi-QSK TR switching with adjustable
delay, sidetone generator with adjustable volume, perfect
for backpacking, portable or home QTH use, built in speaker
with plenty of audio, earphone jack.  6 X 7.25 X 3.
Assembled, tested, works great off power supply or gell
cell.

$110 shipped continental US

72

Jeff, AC4HF


Also still have Tejas keyer and audio filter.

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 10:43:08 1993
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    id AA05021; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 10:42:54 -0500
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 10:42:53 -0500
From: Scott Cranston <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: K1BQT kits from Radio Kit


Got a flyer/catalog from 'RadioKit'  They have the Rick Littlefield, K1BQT,
(of MFJ QRP tranceiver fame) kits for 40, 30, 20, 17 and 15 meters... says
the 40/30/17 meter flavors are new additions:

    - 5 watts output
    - full range VFO (what ever that means?), 8:1 reduction drive
    - superhet receiver with crystal filter
    - AGC
    - RIT
    - built in sidetone
    - Audio filter, front panel selectable
    - adjustable breakin delay
    - runs on 12 - 15 volts
    - 4" X 4" X 2", weight is 15 ounces
    - puntched, painted, silk screened TEN-TEC cabinet


Price:  $99 (includes shipping) until [at least] December 31, 1993.

          RadioKit
          P.O. Box 973
          Pelham, New Hampshiew 03076

          603-635-2235



Does anyone have a recent vintage of these kits or any other experiences with
them?


Scott
KB1NW



From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 10:46:15 1993
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    id AA26061; Fri, 3 Dec 93 10:45:55 EST
    id AA01464; Fri, 3 Dec 93 10:46:19 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 10:46:19 EST
From: [e-mail] (Doug Snowden)
Message-Id: <9312031546.AA01464@pd2>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Varactor VFO???
Cc: [e-mail]

Now you hit an area that I am interested in learning about (Phased Lock
Loops). Anybody built one for the HF frequencies? I haven't really gotten
much encouragement to build or design anything myself. Seems like one
could make it easier on himself by making it have a slow lockup time in
the instance of a transmitter, and since we are dealing with QRP, and
probably a monobander type design the frequency step could be as large as
1 khz and still be practical. I think, from what I have read, that would
make the implementation of the loop filter easier.

    Have a good weekend guys. I'll be going to a local hamfest looking
for parts for a 4-1000 linear amplifier. So I am another of those that
runs a KW when trying to up my DXCC total and QRP for the rest of the fun.

    73's Doug, N4IJ

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 10:56:11 1993
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  (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for [e-mail]); Fri, 3 Dec 1993 09:55:23 -0600
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 09:55:23 -0600
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
From: [e-mail] (william r finch)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Has anyone tried this?
Reply-To: [e-mail]



To the group:

I'm thinking about setting up a QRP station in the following
manner, and would appreciate any comments. I want to use my Radio
Shack DX-390 (aka Sangean ATS-818) as the receiver (although selectivity
can be a problem, I realize), and home-brew a QRP transmitter and
the T/R switching, probably on 20 meters. Has anyone had experience
with this type of setup? Thanks for any comments.

Aside, to N8OFS, the comments re:"No Code" seem somewhat defensive. My
first ticket was Technician class, but when I saw what else
was out there in ham radio, I learned the code and upgraded. I'm a VE
now, and I enjoy it a lot. Ham radio licensing is one area where the
government has put authority back into the hands of the people. Granted,
it's not brain surgery, but a good hobby.

If you don't feel limited in what you want to accomplish in ham radio by
your ticket class, then stay where you are. Two of my children hold
Technician tickets, and don't feel limited (although they both look forward
to working HF on Field Day!).

73s de KF9KI

#*# **#* ####* #*# **

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 11:00:03 1993
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    id AA14040; Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:00:05 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:00:05 EST
From: [e-mail] (M. Squicciarini)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: This weekends sprint


    Is this contest only restricted to homebrewed rigs or do the
    homebrew rigs get an extra bonus.  I've "modified" my argosy
    but that was only adding a cap to get rid of the popping and
    changing a cap to lower the noise floor (that's really tomorrows
    project) and I would not call what I've done homebrewing.
    If someone has all the rules I would appreciate it if you could
    send/post them.

    On another topic.  I was at my local club meeting and talked to
    a few people about getting together and homebrewing.  There seemed
    to be ossome interest and after the holidays I'll try and arrange a
    meeting at my house.  If anyone is in the Philadelphia area and
    would be interested in getting together let me know.

    The meeting last night was the club auction and I picked up a
    small B&W TV for parts for a $1 and much to my surprise when I
    pluged it in and hooked up the ant it worked fine.  No new parts
    but another TV.

    73 -- marty -- nr3z         [e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 11:04:14 1993
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 <[e-mail]>; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 10:58:19 EDT
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1993 10:58:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Daniel J. Curtin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Relax
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The motto of the American Homebrew Association (beer that is) is "Relax, don't
worry...have a homebrew." The saying is due, I believe, to the founder Charles
Papazian. Perhaps we should adopt a variant.

73,
Dan, KF4AV

Daniel J. Curtin
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Northern Kentucky University
Highland Heights, KY 41099-1700

[e-mail]
_._ .._. ...._ ._ ..._


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 11:14:38 1993
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    id AA27477; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:14:29 -0500
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:11:13 -0500 (EST)
From: howie cahn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: SBL-1 availability
To: Bob Applegate <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
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On Fri, 3 Dec 1993, Bob Applegate wrote:

> Someone out there must be buying SBL-1 mixers: where can I order them from?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob, wa2zzx
>

    You can get them from Ocean State Electronics, 1-800-866-6626.
Unfortunately, they're $6.75 each. (Ordering direct from Mini-Circuits
they're $4.75, but there's a minimum.)

    - howie, wb2cpu


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 11:24:58 1993
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    id AA05104; Fri, 3 Dec 93 08:24:51 PST
    id AA16247; Fri, 3 Dec 93 08:24:49 PST
    id AA01910; Fri, 3 Dec 93 08:26:08 PST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 08:26:08 PST
From: [e-mail] (Ray Anderson)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: SBL-1 Mixer Sources

WA2ZZX writes:


>Someone out there must be buying SBL-1 mixers: where can I order them from?

>Thanks,
>Bob, wa2zzx

Bob,

SBL-1 mixers are made by Mini-Circuits of Brooklyn, NY.
The phone number of their North American distribution center
is [phone] (They have a $50 minimum order though).

They also have network of local distributors which will sell
in small quantities. The East Coast distributors include:

    MCL Distributors Inc in Columbia MD [phone]

    Component Distributors Inc. Norcross, GA [phone]

    Spectrum Sales Inc. Hartsdale, NY [phone]

    Robtron Inc. Skaneateles, NY [phone]

Hope that gives you enough info to get started with. BTW, I notice
the 93/94 catalog lists the SBL-1 @ $4.75 each in quantity 1-9.

Good Luck es 72's,
    Ray  WB6TPU

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 11:39:50 1993
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    id AA05719; Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:39:35 EST
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
    (16.6/16.2) id AA14128; Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:39:39 -0500
From: Tom_Jennings <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Has anyone tried this?
To: [e-mail] (qrp mailling list)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:39:38 EST
Cc: [e-mail] (Tom Jennings)
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]


KF9KA writes:

I'm thinking about setting up a QRP station in the following
manner, and would appreciate any comments. I want to use my Radio
Shack DX-390 (aka Sangean ATS-818) as the receiver (although selectivity
can be a problem, I realize), and home-brew a QRP transmitter and
the T/R switching, probably on 20 meters. Has anyone had experience
with this type of setup? Thanks for any comments.



Bill, back in the days before transceivers were popular, the above was
a must.  I had an ht37 and sb300  set up in a similar fashion.
My t/r switch was a coax relay with a set of contacts for muting
the recever.

Have fun!

73

TJ kv2x

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From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 11:40:53 1993
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    id AA20994; Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:06:18 -0500
    id AA10444; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:06:17 -0500
From: Jeffrey Yuan <[e-mail]>
    id AA22069; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:06:15 -0500
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:06:15 -0500
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: ""  <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Varactor VFO???

In message <[e-mail]> Mark Shelhamer writes:
>
> For you more experienced homebrewers - can anyone tell me why varactor
> diodes are not more widely used in QRP VFOs? It seems to me that their
> much smaller size and mechanical stability, compared to air variable
> caps, would make then ideal for QRP gear, especially backpackable gear.
>
> There must be some deep dark secret about these that I don't know.
> Or is it just a small capacitance range?
>
> 73
> Mark WA3YNO
>

I believe the reason is that varactor diodes exhibit more drift due to
temperature shifts than variable capacitors.  Varactors are used
in the VCO of many phase locked loop frequency synthesizers. Caveat emptor, all
this rambling is from reading the literature not from practical experience :).
Others on this mailing list may have a more satisfactory answer.

73

Jeff  N2NXC

(Armchair Homebrewer)


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From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 11:50:12 1993
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    id AA21822; Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:11:30 -0500
    id AA10670; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:11:29 -0500
From: Jeffrey Yuan <[e-mail]>
    id AA23423; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:11:26 -0500
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 11:11:26 -0500
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: ""  <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: SBL-1 availability

In message <[e-mail]> Bob Applegate writes:
> Someone out there must be buying SBL-1 mixers: where can I order them from?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob, wa2zzx
>
I have ordered them directly from the manufacturer, MiniCircuits.  They are very
nice, extremely prompt, and take AMEX.  I have their address and phone number at
home if you are interested.  Finally, I believe they have a very low mininum
order requirement, I ordered 5 SBL-1 and received their large RF Designers
Guide/Catalog in two days.  (Just a satisfied customer)

73,
Jeff   N2NXC

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From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 12:08:23 1993
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          3 Dec 93 12:04 EST
    id AA20753; Fri, 3 Dec 93 12:04:01 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 12:04:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: qrp = cross country skiing

I think that there is an honored place for what is derogatorily referred to
as "fanaticism", in most all endeavors.  It is the folks who are REALLY
driven by a certain concept, ideal, or goal, who get out there and move
mountains, develop the first PCs in their garages, find the cure for cancer,
keep qrp and CW (yeeeaaahhhhhhhhh!!) alive, etc.  Unfortunately, some of
these folks combine this powerful and positive human trait with another
powerful human trait - egotism.  Egotism usually leads quickly to intolerance,
hatred, and sometimes, cruelty and abuse!

Sorry for the sermon, guys, but I just can't let remarks like have just come
across the net go unchallenged.  Saying that people who don't want to WORK
for a qso, just BUY them with bux for KWs, and won't work anything but
strong signals, have ceased to be hams (full stop!), is just out of line.
C'mon guys, its a hobby!  I fell off my chair laughing when I saw the ad
with K7SS wearing fatcat sunglasses and chomping on a cigar with a s--- eating
grin on his face, leaning on a linear (that he OWNS).  You gotta be able to
laugh at yourself, regardless of whether or not other people appreciate
your own rarefied point of view, even about something like CW which is, as
we all well know, is a CLOSED discussion (nod in the up-and-down direction,
class, my HS math teacher used to say).

It reminds me of the downright intolerance that many cross country skiing
buffs have for the fat, non-environmentally conscious, money-and-fancy-ski
clothes-with-only-Vaurnet-sunglasses, non-vegetarian downhill skiiers.
Many of them also make a point out of telling everyone on the slope (as they
go out of their way to be obvious that they are going UP the mountain, and
not DOWN) that only theirs is "REAL" skiing.

I remember from 20 years ago, when I was only a kid and had no opportunity
to get into qrp, that the QRPers even then had a holier-than-thou reputation,
earned or not.  Let's not go and EARN it, for Pete's sake!

Yes, yes, I agree that the bands would be a lot nicer, and more qrp stuff
would be available with more features for less $ commercially, etc., if
everyone out there thought as we did.  But I still contend, there is
NOTHING at all wrong with qro operation as a concept.  A lot of hams just
want to HAVE armchair qsos with their daily nets, skeds, etc.  A lot of
retirees keep themselves busy this way.  And why not?  Part of the hobby
IS to try to maintain reliable communications for use when it may be needed.

In my opinion, the biggest cause of problems on the bands is not the QRO, it
is who is using IT.  The exam process is just far too easy, and so there are
a lot of lids out there clogging up the bands who just didn't have to learn
and struggle to get their tickets.  We don't even have to MENTION the CW req.
It IS a privelege to get on the air, and many folks just don't respect that.

BTW, I just got my QRP ARCI membership certificate - it looks great!


------------------------------
Kalman Laudon WD6CZI in 2 land
QRP ARCI No. 8385
<[e-mail]>
------------------------------


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 12:11:41 1993
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Date:     Fri, 3 Dec 93 12:13:50 EST
From: Clark Fishman (FSAC-FCD) <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject:  [To: QRD:  Varactors]
Message-Id:  <[e-mail]>


----- Forwarded message # 1:

Date:     Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:52:23 EST
From:     Clark Fishman (FSAC-FCD)  <[e-mail]>
To:       [e-mail]
cc:       [e-mail]
Subject:  Varactors
Message-ID:  <[e-mail]>

A little story I was told at RCA in Camden ,NJ.

I guy built a systhesizer and had excessive 60 Hz. phase noise,

He told his friend and the friend dropped a rag on the synthesizer...

vola  by-by noise....the glass varactor was being optically

modulated by the florescent lights.....a little paint on the

varactor  did the job..


I used a power rectifier as a varactor for an ARC 5 receiver fine

tuning control...worked great...

Using back to back varactors can lower distortion in oscillators....

72.72   WA2UNN

----- End of forwarded messages

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 12:13:19 1993
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Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Subject: nn1g parts list / placement?
To: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 9:07:06 PST
Cc: [e-mail], [e-mail]
In-Reply-To: <" 3-Dec-93 10:11:48 EST".*[e-mail]>; from "[e-mail]" at Dec 3, 93 7:11 am
From: [e-mail] (Bob Headrick)
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bob Headrick)
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]

> I noticed a few folks asking for the nn1g Mark II artwork
> in TIFF format. Well, it's now available on think.com
> in two files (nn1g-rx.tif, nn1g-tx.tif) in the directory
> '/pub/radio/ham/qrp/artwork'.
>

OK, I picked up the artwork.  It looks like a nice small rig.  But...
could someone scan the parts list and placement diagram?  I can't do
much without that.  (Well, I can recognize the NE602's and could solder
them in - but not much more :-)


Thanks in advance.

Bob Headrick WA7OVU
[e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 13:33:57 1993
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To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Varactor VFO???
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 93 10:02:00 PST
X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0


Mark S. asks:

> For you more experienced homebrewers - can anyone tell me why varactor
> diodes are not more widely used in QRP VFOs? It seems to me that their
> much smaller size and mechanical stability, compared to air variable
> caps, would make then ideal for QRP gear, especially backpackable gear.

Yes and no. In addition to the undesirable temperature characteristics
others have mentioned (though compensation techniques are well known), the
DC you apply to the varactor must be absolutely clean or it will frequency
modulate the oscillator's output. Which is how many FM transmitters do it,
but is not what you want for a CW or SSB transmitter.

This includes control voltages. The pot you use to adjust the oscillator
frequency must be a good one to avoid transients making a mess of your
frequency, and also so that it won't wear out from excessive use, which
cheap pots aren't designed for. You want the highest quality 10 turn pot you
can lay your hands on for such applications.

Since any reverse-biased PN junction will exhibit a space charge and thus
variable capacitance, many projects that use varactors can work fine with
many diodes. Zener diodes can work well as varactors, and even a lowly 1N914
will do well if you choose the right one (the Ramsey DC receivers use them,
with a Zener diode for voltage regulation). The junctions in many bipolar
transistors will work well too.

73 from Burnaby
laura VE7LDH

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 13:56:07 1993
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  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <[e-mail]>); Fri, 3 Dec 1993 13:08:12 -0500
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 13:08:12 -0500
From: Brad Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: nn1g  mk II

Well, last night I coudn't sleep, so I turned on the 20 meter nn1g mk II , and
walah there were a bunch of VK's and ZL's right there for the picking.

Now if I only had had a beam, or maybe 5 watts, I might have worked them.
The inverted vee couldn't do it.

Maybe it's time to put a vertical on the roof again.

73 all, and have a great weekend.

Brad WB8YGG


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 14:22:59 1993
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Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Homebrew QRP Wattmeters
To: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 11:16:56 PST
Cc: [e-mail]
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from "[e-mail]" at Dec 1, 93 7:47 pm
From: [e-mail] (Bob Headrick)
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Bob Headrick)
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]

> I'm looking to build a simple QRP wattmeter.
> I don't need something that is accurate to three decimal places; just a small
> box that would indicate if the RF output power was above some threshold.  I
> was originally thinking of getting some of those precision light bulbs from
> Radio Shack and using them in a box with a couple of switches.  The
> procedure would go something like: key down, switch to bulb #1, if bulb #1
> lights up, your output is at least 0.25 watts, switch to bulb #2, if bulb #2
> lights up then you have at least .5 watts, etc.  When a bulb doesn't light up,
> you would know you are below that threshold, and above the previous thresholdii

Back on the old days of tube rigs a 100W light bulb made a good dummy
load/tuning indicator.  Unfortunately solid state rigs are not as
tolerant.  A cold filament will look like nearly a dead short to the
transmitter; it is a race between destroying the final output stage and
heating the bulb.  There are some easy circuits in the handbook for QRP
wattmeters; the principle is something like the following:i

                         1n34a        100uA meter
         RF in   ---+-----*|----+--------O---gnd
                    |           |
                    / 50        = 100pf
                    \           |
                    /          gnd
                    gnd

A pot across the meter may be required for calibration.  If you need
really low power measurements an op amp is needed to boost the signal a
bit.

Bob Headrick WA7OVU
[e-mail]


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 14:29:45 1993
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    for @sgidal.dallas.sgi.com:[e-mail] id AA03077; Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:28:56 -0600
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:28:56 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN1G Mark II


Gang,

The artwork looks pretty good from Think.COM for the NN1G Mark II.
Wondering why Dave kept some of the traces so small in some areas.

I'll move over the parts list and schematics for NN1G Mark I.  Sorry,
I don't have the art work in machine format.  I'll let you know when
I move it over later this afternoon.

For the individual who just finished the Mark II, and I apologize
for not writing down the info but it's off the screen forever, the
noise may be reduced by reducing the resistor value across pins
1 and 2 for the MC1350 IF Amp.  Try 5K and 2.7K values to see the
effect.  I have played with this on my 40M version and I don't think
that the overall sensitivity of the rig was decreased enough to worry
about it.  I've seen some designs with lower values, but this is
probably an individual preference.  Dave's original value in the Mark I
(which I assume is the name, since he calls the newer rig the II) was
10K, certainly too high a resistance.

As for the QSK timing, the capacitor from the Gate of Q2 (MPF102)
may be reduced in value to speed up the receiver recovery.  I haven't
played with this as it was not a problem on the Mark I.

If someone has the schematic for the new rig and can fax it to
[phone], I'll change the Mark I to match the new version and
put it on Think.COM.

Ok,  i've moved the files

nn1g.mark1.ps and nn1g.parts to Think.COM.  Bruce will put them in
the artwork directory.  You just send the nn1g.mark1.ps file to a
postscript printer and you'll get the schematic that's in the Jan
'93 issue of the Quarterly, but it's from my schematic program.  I
don't think it has any errors and it has no mods.  If the lines
are too wide, add a line '0 setlinewidth' after the other set*
lines somewhere near the beginning of the file.  I just forgot to do
it and I've asked Bruce to do it, but he might not get a chance.
Just in Case.  :-)

I have marked the parts with typical markings found on parts in the
junk box for the people new to building, etc.  Some variations may
occur.  Refer to the ARRL Handbook for parts markings, etc.  The
parts file is just plain ASCII text.  I have another set for 40M
if that is your preference.  I just didn't want to load WT1M's
system up, and I can do that.  :-)

I just got yesterday a new copy of Dan's Small Parts Catalog.  He's
got some great deals.  About 6 typed 8.5x11" pages full of goodies
just in time for Christmas season.  Also a 10% discount (or was it
15%?) for ordering before Christmas.

I listened to 40M on the NN1G Mark I on the work this a.m.  The first
time in a long time.  There was an AMTOR station about 7.005MHz.  Is
there no honor anymore?  Heard a bunch of 1's working DX, but I
couldn't hear the DX with the hamstick antenna.  QRN bad as a thunderstorm
was in progress in the Dallas area.  I'm building a boat right now,thus
the delay in building any new rigs....  :-)  :-)

Ducks have moved into the back yard......

73 de k5fo    dit    dit

p.s.  Sorry, didn't find the homebrew rules for QRP ARCI.  I thought I had
      posted them to the net recently, but didn't find them in the archives
      or in any of my directories.  See you on the Sprint tomorrow, 20M only,
      14.060 -/-.  The digital group will keep us pinned down probably. :-)
      gl n t tst dit   dit

SIG
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Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 14:32:55 1993
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:32:02 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: University


sorry to use up the bandwidth.

having problem getting mail order university installments to

[e-mail]

and

[e-mail]

you guys send me your email address.  not accessable from me to you
as shown.

thanks,
SIG
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Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 14:38:59 1993
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    id AA04703; Fri, 3 Dec 93 14:38:46 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 14:38:46 EST
From: [e-mail] (Doug Snowden)
Message-Id: <9312031938.AA04703@pd2>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Re: SBL-1 Mixer Sources

Well, I could use at least 3 sbl-1 mixers. Why doesn't one person get up a list
of people, collect their money and order at least 50 of them. He could add the
postage for each distribution. Just because I suggested this doesn't necessicarily mean I want to be the one.

    Doug, N4IJ

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 14:40:17 1993
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    id AA09681; Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:40:05 HST
    id AA03475; Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:40:05 HST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 9:40:04 HST
From: Jeff Herman <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: QRP: RS rcvr with homebrew xmtr
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>

William KF9KI asked about using a SW rcvr with homebrew xmtr - that's
exactly what my station consists of: a R.S. DX-400 rcvr (the best they
ever built) and home made QRP xmtrs. At my mother's home back in Calif.
I use an old DX-60 SW rcvr and homebrew xmtrs; the DX-60 drifts like
crazy but I have fun. Gad, this hobby is great!

Now, PLEASE, let's have no code vs. no-code debates on here. Most QRP
folks are CW fanatics. Those who have subscribed and post in this
net must understand this. Also, remember everything you post here
goes into private mail boxes - very personal! Feel free to give your
views on rec.radio.amateur.policy but let's please stick to QRP
related topics on this net.

And a public Thank-you to Chuck for the radio course he is putting
together. (And Randy, keep those QRP tube xmtrs coming!)

Jeff NH6IL (ex: WA6QIJ)

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 15:03:06 1993
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 <[e-mail]>; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 14:04:08 CST
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1993 14:04:08 -0600 (CST)
From: "JEFF M. GOLD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ten Tec Kits
To: [e-mail]
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All,

Here is a brief summary from Ten Tec about their kits..

They are willing to get into the kit business as much as is profitable
(don't take this wrong.. basically the want to produce High Quality kits
as long as there is a market for them.. as the market shows them it is
alive, they will expand their offerings)

first stage:

10-15 small single board one nighters such as audio amplifiers (I think
he said under $50)

second stage:

5-10 projects like receivers and QRP transmitters in the $40-$100 range,
one will be a 2 meter brick couple in about 30 watts out

By Dayton:

2 meter synthesized programmable 2 meter transceiver- about 10 channels
for under $200 [put me in for one]

that's it so far.

The catalogs and first kits should be available in a few weeks.

72

Jeff, AC4HF

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 15:49:32 1993
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    id AA07115; Fri, 3 Dec 93 14:19:58 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 14:19:58 EST
From: [e-mail] (Edward Pacyna)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], uunet!zk3.dec.com![e-mail]
Subject: Re:  K1BQT kits from Radio Kit

I've built 4 or 5 of them (20M and 15M versions). This kit has been around
since 1990. See CQ magazine, Sept 1990 for construction article. FAR sells
PCB for $12 (same as in kit) if you want to homebrew one. Also the MFJ 90xx
transceiver is based on this design, but with some changes and bigger PCB.

With a few modifications, it makes a decent transceiver.

73

Ed W1AAZ


From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 15:53:37 1993
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 <[e-mail]>; Fri, 3 Dec 1993 14:55:31 CST
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1993 14:55:31 -0600 (CST)
From: "JEFF M. GOLD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Meters
To: [e-mail]
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Hi,

need some help.. are any of you expert at LCR or just LC meters..
noticed that there are times when a device of this type would be very
useful.. I need one capable of measuring accurately for HF component
work (usually for QRP transceivers to check cap values and hand wound
coil values).. would really appreciate specific suggestions or if anyone
has one for sale, let me know

72

Jeff, AC4HF

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 16:22:33 1993
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    id N90900W Fri,  3 Dec 1993 20:00:09 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bob Berlyn)
Subject: QRP Hotel QSOs
Date: Fri,  3 Dec 1993 16:09:00 GMT
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]

 Q > From: Spence S Wilhelm <[e-mail]>
 Q > Subject: QRP Hotel QSOs
 Q > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:08:15 PST
 Q >
 Q > Gang,
 Q >
 Q > I travel a lot in my job so have been quite active in
 Q > working QRP from Hotel rooms.  I use an MFJ 9040
 Q > transceiver, a home-brew antenna tuner, and a gel cell.
 Q > This combination works well and has been quite reliable.  I
 Q > built the tuner from a schematic for a QRP 40 meter antenna
 Q > tuner in "Solid State Design" by Hayward and Demaw.  I've
 Q > tried slinky verticals, dipoles in the room, and random
 Q > wires hanging out the window.  The latter seems to give the
 Q > best performance.
 Q >---------------------

Spence and Gang:

I can't be much help on your problem with the SWR. I am a reasonably new
Ham (9 Months) and a newbee homebrewer (9 months)  I am however VERY intrested
in your experiences in Hotel room  QSO. I have been trying to build something Q
for just this use, I spend most of my work life on the road,
and the antenna problem has been my major stumbling block.

I am building a 30 Mtr rig for hotel rooms because I thought the ant would be
easier to deal with. Please tell me of your experiences with the various
antennas. How long is your long wire, what about the counterpose? I would
think a short wire would be difficult to tune, do you just drop it out
the window? What about when the window does not open? What do you do for
a ground?

How do you like the MFJ 9020 ?
(although i'd rather build something my self:)

Which ant tuner did you build? I am starting to think about building one
myself. I am considering the "A NOVEL RESONANT ANTENNA TUNER"
from the W1FB QRP note book, but building it with toroidal coils like
the one in QRP Classics page 228 of the same design. I would like to
use small caps like the  Harmmarland APC 140 , although they might
not have enough capacitance so I would have to maybe switch some more
into the circuit.

My goal is to keep the size small and then build it into
my rig.

I would like to hear your thoughts as well as from anyone else.

 Talk to you all later
 ---------------------------------------------

 Bob Berlyn                     [e-mail]
 N1PWU

 * OFFLINE 1.54
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From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 16:46:26 1993
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    id AA02368; Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:47:31 PST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:47:31 PST
From: [e-mail] (Ray Anderson)
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: NN1G schematic


Chuck, K5F0 has just posted the schematic for the nn1g rig. Real nice
schematic except the postscript code cuts off everything above a line
drawn through R12 to D3.


The fix is pretty simple:

    At about line 103 in the postscript code there is a line that says :

0 -210 mm translate

 change it to :

0 -310 mm translate

Here is a snippet of the .ps file around the offending line:


} def
basefont
1 setlinecap
1 setlinejoin
3 setmiterlimit
0 setlinewidth
90 rotate
0 -310 mm translate
/Courier 2.7 Font
/Courier 2.7 Font
/Courier 2.48 4.96 0 DefFont


Schematic comes out real nice after that fix.

Thanks Chuck.

 72's,

    Ray   WB6TPU

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 16:50:27 1993
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From: Edward Parish <[e-mail]>
    id AA09211; Fri, 3 Dec 93 16:50:25 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 16:50:25 EST
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
In-Reply-To: Ray Anderson's message of Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:47:31 PST <[e-mail]>
Subject: NN1G schematic

   Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 13:47:31 PST
   From: [e-mail] (Ray Anderson)


   Chuck, K5F0 has just posted the schematic for the nn1g rig. Real nice
   schematic except the postscript code cuts off everything above a line
   drawn through R12 to D3.


   The fix is pretty simple:

           At about line 103 in the postscript code there is a line that says :

   0 -210 mm translate

    change it to :

   0 -310 mm translate

   Here is a snippet of the .ps file around the offending line:


   } def
   basefont
   1 setlinecap
   1 setlinejoin
   3 setmiterlimit
   0 setlinewidth
   90 rotate
   0 -310 mm translate
   /Courier 2.7 Font
   /Courier 2.7 Font
   /Courier 2.48 4.96 0 DefFont


   Schematic comes out real nice after that fix.

   Thanks Chuck.

    72's,

           Ray   WB6TPU

Hang on, I'll change it...

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 17:01:31 1993
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From: Edward Parish <[e-mail]>
    id AA09264; Fri, 3 Dec 93 17:01:30 EST
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 17:01:30 EST
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
In-Reply-To: Edward Parish's message of Fri, 3 Dec 93 16:50:25 EST <[e-mail]>
Subject: NN1G schematic


      Chuck, K5F0 has just posted the schematic for the nn1g rig. Real nice
      schematic except the postscript code cuts off everything above a line
      drawn through R12 to D3.

[......]

It is fixed in directory.

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 17:15:27 1993
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 16:14:36 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Adams)
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Sprint Saturday


Anybody we should be looking for during the Sprint Contest tomorrow?

I don't have the rules yet, but I'm looking through the pile of junk
that I've accumulated the last three months but haven't gotten to.  :-)

If I owe you something, send me email and I'll let you know what the
state is.  I've started the University Program, so if you haven't gotten
mail from me on that then send me a note saying so.

dit   dit

SIG
------cut here----------
Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
[e-mail]
QRP ARCI Awards Chairman




From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 17:42:01 1993
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Hideg)
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Subject: Offensive signature (was ft

        Reply to:   Offensive signature (was ftp)
Is this the sig in question?

>--
>Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM    =       N8OFS
>Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
>Push The Buttons,                         ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
>Connect The God-Damn Dots!!!  -  Ministry ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

What's so offensive about it? They are just words.
Don't like them? Then DON'T READ THEM.

Don't you have better things to do (like playing radio) than be offended by
a signature?

Cut out the PC crap and get on with your lives.


--Steve, N8HSC

<no sig>






From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 19:52:01 1993
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Subject: University

Sorry Chuck,  please use the following address:

 [e-mail]

Bob (N4AHB)

From [e-mail]  Fri Dec  3 21:41:43 1993
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From: Michael Stein                        <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Meters (L and C)

> need some help.. are any of you expert at LCR or just LC
> meters..  noticed that there are times when a device of this
> type would be very useful.. I need one capable of measuring
> accurately for HF component work (usually for QRP transceivers
> to check cap values and hand wound coil values).. would really
> appreciate specific suggestions or if anyone has one for sale,
> let me know

Do you have a freqency counter?  If you do (or perhaps a receiver
might work?) build a simple oscillator with switchable (clip
leads?) for where the LC goes...

I have something like this (from an article in QST within the
past decade).  It can be calibrated by measuring an unknown LC
(both unknown) by itself and with an additional known C (call it
Cdelta).  Since L*C = 1/(2*pi*f)**2 once you measure the
two frequencies (F1 and F2) you can calculate the two
LC products for each frequency (LC(1) and LC(2)).

   Lx * Cx = LC(1)
   Lx(Cx + Cdelta) = LC(2)
   Lx * Cx + Lx * Cdelta = LC(2)
But Lx * Cx is just LC(1) so
   LC(1) + Lx * Cdelta = LC(2)
and
   Lx * Cdelta = LC(2) - LC(1)
resulting in
   Lx = (LC(2) - LC(1)) / Cdelta
Now that you know Lx you can calculate Cx

PS: Keep in mind that Cx includes stray capacitance of the
    inductor too...

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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 23:45:41 -0500 (EST)
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> From: ncoast!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!rockdal.aud.alcatel.com!msdooley (Michael S. Dooley)
> Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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> Subject: No Code Folks
> Content-Type: text
>
> >Andrew N8OFS writes:<
> >You can't anger or offend me, for I _am_ a No-Code which has been put-
> >down, trampled, and ignored in the name of the hobby.
> >
>
> You know, I like the No Code folks.  Before they came along our club was
> just languishing.  If you wanted to do something, it took an act of Congress.
> A bunch of them yelled of doom and destruction when the No Codes came
> along, but Guess What?!?  After the No Code, our membership grew!
> We now have extended the tower of the club HF station, added a second tower
> for 6, 2 and 432 SSB/FM/CW enthusiasts AND started getting some activity
> on Packet.  We've got two new HF rigs, a new computer and I can't think
> of what else.  Who pushed this?  The No Code folks!  They may not all
> be interested in HF or code, but by golly they have the enthusiasm many
> of the other members of our club had lost.  This is getting to be a fun
> hobby again.!.
>
Man am I glad that I found somebody that sees things from my prospective.
I think my previous posts said it all, this just exemplified it!
>
> Oh yes!  many have upgraded and are into QRP and homebrew, too!  Yep, I like
> those No Code folks!
> Mike Dooley KE4PC
> [e-mail]
>
Don't get me wrong, one of these days I _wil_ upgrade;  I'm just happy
and content with being a No-Code for now...

(Mike must be an Extra, I think I just found another good-natured elmer!)

--
Mesmerized by a decade of hate,           ! AMATEUR =   N8OFS
Flowers and remorse,                      ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Fading vision lost in time,               ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Tragedy on course!!! - Frontline Assembly ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht

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> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 08:12:05 -0600
> From: ncoast!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!chuck.dallas.sgi.com!adams (Chuck Adams)
> Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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>
>
> Our Friend N8OFS writes:
>
> >You can't anger or offend me, for I _am_ a No-Code which has been put-
> >down, trampled, and ignored in the name of the hobby.
> >
> >I suppose it is, however, time to change my sig  (Where did I put my
> >Frontline Assembly CD???).
> >
> >--
> >Tell Me Something I Don't Know,           ! HAM =       N8OFS
> >Show Me Something I Can Use,              ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
>
> I was not trying to anger, offend, trample, ignore, or any other
> way trying to attack you.  It's just that in this day and age,
> there seem to be a lot of people that want to have things their
> way.  Everybody wants a piece of the pie, but nobody wants to do
> the work to make it.
>
I _don't_ want everything my way, and I'm willing to work my butt off
for this hobby!
>
> I did not say anything about code.  I did not say anything about
> ham radio.  I said that I was offended by your language in your
> signature.  That was it.  In real life you can say whatever you
> want, but remember that everything that you post to this group
> is stored forever.  Is that the way you want to be remembered?
> I wouldn't.
>
OK, in the intrest of offending less people than before, I have
changed my sig to something a little lower key.  As long as my
First Ammendment rights are not oppressed, nor are yours, we can
get along, fine.  Yes, I _do_ want to be remembered this way;  I
want to be remembered as one open minded individual proving that
you can be different and get along just fine.
>
> End of discussion.  EOT
>
>
> SIG
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> Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
> [e-mail]
> QRP ARCI Awards Chairman
>
'Out!'

--
Mesmerized by a decade of hate,           ! AMATEUR =   N8OFS
Flowers and remorse,                      ! ARMY MARS = AAN5HJT
Fading vision lost in time,               ! CB =        THE NEON KNIGHT
Tragedy on course!!! - Frontline Assembly ! HACKER =    TH3 N30N KN16Ht