> Well, to be polite, CW is kept mostly where CW-only (USA) is allowed.
Hummm... there are no places on the USA HF bands where only CW is allowed
(except for Novice & Tech+).
> Then too, there are DX windows that are universally world-wide accepted as
> being on some such n so freqs, generally at the bottom of each band.
OK.
> Then there are those of us who only have Novice or Tech+ tickets and so
> there is a freq limit there....
Sorry, wasn't refering to Novices or Techies+, my comment was only meant to
refer to General Class and higher. I know Novices and Techies don't have
any choice....
> The QRP calling freq's are on 3710kc and 7110kc, for 80 & 40 mtrs, altho,
> a QRPer will go where his ticket lets him go.....so same it seems, these
> SSBers and Honking Squawnking what ever they are's ( some are packet, amtor
> but,there are a few out there, that I think need an oil change).
>
> It's gotten so bad, I just don't get on between after-dusk, until past
> midnite.
> I get on before dusk, and well past midnite now.
>
Here's my point. I don't understand why it has to be this way, when other
parts of the spectrum where CW is ALLOWED is not used to its' fullest. Any
one in the US with General class or higher is allowed to use SSB or CW in
the upper end of the bands. If you can go on with SSB any time you like
why would anybody get upset if you used CW and use only use about 1/5th the
bandwidth?
Another reason I've been wondering about this is because I'd like to setup
a sked with a friend in L.A. to practice code. It would be nice if we could
meet on SSB and then switch back and forth between modes during the qso. i.e.
he could send a bunch of cw, I could say (speak) "did you say .....?", etc.
Would this kind of qso draw some bad remarks from other hams?
73,
mont, km6wt
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 11:23:53 CST
From: cieslak@cgc9.eda.mke.ab.com (Brian Cieslak)
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To: qrp@Think.COM
Subject: Re:wooden radioes..etc
Let's not for get the prolific use of paper clips to connect power from the 6V lantern battery spring terminals...or was that to power up my first computer??
I like the idea of using hundreds of volts to power QRP rigs...That really exemplifies that QRP is NOT for sissies. Just think your filaments will consume more power than your transmitting...I think thats an important design goal as my shack was a little chilly during sweepstakes last weekend. Make sure you make the latest schematics available.
As far as your decision...use what you have now and put the stuff you need on your christmas list..Nothing puzzles a well maening relative more than giving them a list with transformers, chokes, variable caps and the elusive toroids on it.
ps What color stain goes with carpet tacks.
73,
Brian AE9K
From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 22 12:18:48 1993
> Mont, KM6WT, asks the question about operating CW in the higher
> parts of the band. Well, it's true, you legally can do so. But,
> you won't win friends or influence people. :-)
>
> It's part of the gentleman's agreement that CW ops would stay out
> of the phone allowed portions. This promotes good will and peace
But but but.... Are you saying that SSBers would rather I use SSB and
take up more bandwidth and leave even less room for other SSBers? I
guess the logic of this escapes me.
Maybe this is a gentleman's agreement if terribly outdated and needs to
be redefined. How do we go about doing that? If we show up in the SSB
portion of the band, they can't retiliate legally by coming down into
the CW sub-band.
I can understand about some portions left open for calling frequencies,
dx openings, nets, long established skeds. But there sure is a lot of
bandwidth used for general qso that could be made use of or used more
effiecently...
> on earth (well almost). You can even operate digital in the voice
> bands, but I don't think it'd would be too pretty.
Sorry, but RTTY & Data are not allowed in the HF phone bands. Only CW,
Phone and Image (which is normally sent in SSB mode).
> If you ventured in between AM stations, I doubt that you would
> have too many CW ops up that high listening.
If someone started doing it, someone would start listening. Word would
get around. I've tried setting up skeds with a friend from L.A. on cw,
sure is hard to find an opening sometimes. Then when I tune up and here
all the empty spaces that legally could be used, I just can't figure it
out.
>
> Mont, there is no no such thing as a dumb question. He who asks not
> learns not (Chuck Adams quote). I ask questions all the time. The
> only way I can learn. If you don't make mistakes, you're not doing
> anything.
Well I don't think I've learned anything yet because I still don't
understand WHY. So... either it must be a dumb question or maybe just
maybe it's time to relook at the bandplan and/or gentleman's agreements?
Guess I'll just have to wait and see....
Tnx for your comments & 73,
mont, km6wt
From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 22 12:43:24 1993
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 11:49:22 CST
From: cieslak@cgc9.eda.mke.ab.com (Brian Cieslak)
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To: qrp@Think.COM
Subject: Re: Dumb Questions...cw freqs
Mont,
The way things on the ssb segments today you can't even talk about the weather without somebody sticking there two cents worth in so I think you should go for it...There may probably be 10 guys listening in the background practicing code along with your friend that you'llnever hear from.
Peronally if I hear someone sending cw in the fone band I'll answer him in CW but generally I`ll stay in the cw portiions where I don't have to listen to the splatter that usually occurs just when the other guy has something important to say. I appreciate the cw segment just for this reason. Maybe some day when the dsp stuff gets better it won't be such a big deal.
You joined the ham radio ranks to pursue interests you enjoy so do it....Don't let someone else someone else tell you what to do...unless its the FCC in which case all reason gets thrown out the window
73, Brian AE9K.
From qrp-request@Think.COM Mon Nov 22 13:55:02 1993
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